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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 5071512" data-attributes="member: 813">I didn't say anything about a char-op build. My basic question is still unanswered: Didn't you have to learn what builds are better than others? How did you learn that 14 is too low for a primary stat? I'm betting you learned it organically, through trial and error. Why shouldn't he (our now theoretical player given the lasted update by the OP) get the chance to experiment? To try? To fail? And to later succeed? Doesn't success after failure make you feel even better than just success alone?Let me approach this yet another way: the very process we are talking about is optimizing. Optimizing is taking something that works and making it better. By its very definition it is not a task done by a novice. When you are teaching something to someone you don't start with an advanced topic first. You start with the basics and work your way up to the advanced topics at the student's pace of progress.You are starting with an advanced topic. He has no frame of reference with which to compare optimized versus non-optimized. You might hand wave the optimizations but once you do that you are not instructing, you are dictating.I suspect we will hit the agree to disagree wall shortly.</blockquote>