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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5073533" data-attributes="member: 67338">ok, so just so we all are on the same page here... we all agree that each character needs to contribute to the group (I mean why would you travel with them otherwise), and that each player gets to make up there own mind in HOW they build there character to do so...  the only real point of conflict is 'how bad is too bad' from what I can see. Now me personaly I only started with a 20 once, and that was a wizard with INT, more often then not I start with a 16 (yes after race), but I could see myself starting as low as 14.     Now if a player sat down to play with a 20 str mintour wand wizard with an 8 dex and a 10 Int I might look at him like he grew a second head... but I would atleast give him a chance. (I think we can all agree that is like the woest you could do).  And I will give anyone a chance becuse of Bane and Deflour... two of the worst characters ever made...and both kicked but in game.        bane was 3.5 ranger/barbarian with a 7 Int 11 Wis, and 6 cha (we rolled) who fought with 2 short swords, and weapon finess for his 15 dex...         Defour was a 2e human (rp wise we caled him a half orc) with a 8 str 8 dex 17 Con, 9 Int, 6 wis 17 cha (we rolled in order and he only had the stats for 1 class) wizard...        both characters had lousy builds, and bad stats and are still two of our fav characters to talk about.      Infact we had a player who for years was a cheating powergaming jerk (yes all three) and most of his character came off that way until he failed 1 saveing throw...          His 3.5 druid/sorcerer was struck blind... and he went 5 levels with his animal compainon wolf becomeing a seeing eye dog... he wne out of his way to find ways to compansate, until he finaly got his sight back. Those 5 levels had some of the best stories though...(Sure I'll take a watch... I guess no one is comeing...)now after sleeping on it, I will admit a full game of these characters would not last long, but 1 out of 5... especialy if you have optimizers anyway picking upt the slack.... who cares...</blockquote>

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