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How Can You Politely Say, "Your Character Sucks?"
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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5074107" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>I don't think we've defined what characteristics "they" have. It's entirely possible you've misinterpreted other people's behavior, that you describe behavior in this way that someone else wouldn't, or that you are mistaking what I and others are trying to say.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm going to go with the theory you are misinterpreting behavior, because the motivations of the person you are describing sound incomprehensible to me if you are really giving them the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, if I assume you are distorting the account because of your own unconscious bias, I find it easy to believe you are simply experiencing a clash of style, values, and goals, combined with some unproductive group dynamics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. Whereas, if your reasons are simply different, that shouldn't be a problem. So if a person wishes to make a certain style of character for roleplaying reasons, different motivations than the rest of the group, and other people are opposed to these reasons... I think that means the problem principally resides in the other players. I can't tell someone their character isn't fun to them, but I can tell someon they are being aggressive and that their attitude is interfering with their ability to relate to others.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's unreasonable for four people to force their preferences on one. Reason does not submit to a majority vote. According to these rules, an exactly divided group would consist entirely of people who were being "unreasonable." How can that possibly be?</p><p></p><p>I think you are happy being a powergamer, and that dealing with non-powergamers is uncomfortable to you. When playing with non-powergamers, you do not modify your attitude, you simply dial your attitude down a notch, and when you play with powergamers, you feel justified in inflicting your viewpoint on non-powers in the group. It's pretty clear that you think powergaming is better and non-powergaming is worse. Correct me if I have misunderstood your position in some way.</p><p></p><p>I can think of no logical reason why a non-powergamer would be destined to butt heads with powergamers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 5074107, member: 15538"] I don't think we've defined what characteristics "they" have. It's entirely possible you've misinterpreted other people's behavior, that you describe behavior in this way that someone else wouldn't, or that you are mistaking what I and others are trying to say. I'm going to go with the theory you are misinterpreting behavior, because the motivations of the person you are describing sound incomprehensible to me if you are really giving them the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, if I assume you are distorting the account because of your own unconscious bias, I find it easy to believe you are simply experiencing a clash of style, values, and goals, combined with some unproductive group dynamics. Right. Whereas, if your reasons are simply different, that shouldn't be a problem. So if a person wishes to make a certain style of character for roleplaying reasons, different motivations than the rest of the group, and other people are opposed to these reasons... I think that means the problem principally resides in the other players. I can't tell someone their character isn't fun to them, but I can tell someon they are being aggressive and that their attitude is interfering with their ability to relate to others. It's unreasonable for four people to force their preferences on one. Reason does not submit to a majority vote. According to these rules, an exactly divided group would consist entirely of people who were being "unreasonable." How can that possibly be? I think you are happy being a powergamer, and that dealing with non-powergamers is uncomfortable to you. When playing with non-powergamers, you do not modify your attitude, you simply dial your attitude down a notch, and when you play with powergamers, you feel justified in inflicting your viewpoint on non-powers in the group. It's pretty clear that you think powergaming is better and non-powergaming is worse. Correct me if I have misunderstood your position in some way. I can think of no logical reason why a non-powergamer would be destined to butt heads with powergamers. [/QUOTE]
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