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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5074170" data-attributes="member: 6562"><p>So did you get to high level with that PC?</p><p></p><p> No, you're wrong because of <strong>granularity</strong>. In real life it may be possible to measure the difference between every individual, but in D&D they're all going to fall into a bucket from 20 to 16. All the 16s are equally "smart". No one person is last in the class -- a bunch are tied for that position.</p><p></p><p> The 18 can't end up at 30. He's doomed to 26, or 28 (at most) using an ED like Demigod.</p><p></p><p> Pluck = training? Okay...</p><p></p><p> Prime Requisite isn't the same as primary attack stat. So, you've missed your mark.</p><p></p><p>(By the way, Prime Requisite was a bad reward mechanic.)</p><p></p><p> "Conventional rise to fame"? What?</p><p></p><p>Regarding your survival comment, the idea of "loser" characters dying and being replaced by non-"loser" characters isn't exactly an argument in favor of playing a "loser" character.</p><p></p><p> You'll have to be more explicit about what analogy you think you're debunking here. It looks to me like both had fine stats for their character's goals, which included piloting and being kickass Jedi.</p><p></p><p> No, I'm just telling you that 4e has tighter design constraints than other editions.</p><p></p><p>In 1e, a magical weapon could easily make up for a low Strength. In 4e, that got taken away: everyone is expected to have a magical weapon of similar enhancement bonus which increases at the same rate for every PC.</p><p></p><p>In plain words: <strong>You can't make up for it. Ever.</strong> This is a deliberate design decision in 4e. Know why? Because all those ways people previously had to "make up for" their deficits in 3.x got abused by dirty, rotten optimizers. Basically, anything your 14 Int loser PC could do to overcome his loser-ness, someone else could slap on his 20 Int pimpmobile PC, making it pimp++. That's clearly not in the best interest of the game.</p><p></p><p> That's the first reason I've heard yet for deliberately gimping your PC. I guess it's like a One City Challenge game in Civilization -- you're bored with the regular game and you want to give yourself a handicap.</p><p></p><p>Cheers, -- N</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 5074170, member: 6562"] So did you get to high level with that PC? No, you're wrong because of [b]granularity[/b]. In real life it may be possible to measure the difference between every individual, but in D&D they're all going to fall into a bucket from 20 to 16. All the 16s are equally "smart". No one person is last in the class -- a bunch are tied for that position. The 18 can't end up at 30. He's doomed to 26, or 28 (at most) using an ED like Demigod. Pluck = training? Okay... Prime Requisite isn't the same as primary attack stat. So, you've missed your mark. (By the way, Prime Requisite was a bad reward mechanic.) "Conventional rise to fame"? What? Regarding your survival comment, the idea of "loser" characters dying and being replaced by non-"loser" characters isn't exactly an argument in favor of playing a "loser" character. You'll have to be more explicit about what analogy you think you're debunking here. It looks to me like both had fine stats for their character's goals, which included piloting and being kickass Jedi. No, I'm just telling you that 4e has tighter design constraints than other editions. In 1e, a magical weapon could easily make up for a low Strength. In 4e, that got taken away: everyone is expected to have a magical weapon of similar enhancement bonus which increases at the same rate for every PC. In plain words: [b]You can't make up for it. Ever.[/b] This is a deliberate design decision in 4e. Know why? Because all those ways people previously had to "make up for" their deficits in 3.x got abused by dirty, rotten optimizers. Basically, anything your 14 Int loser PC could do to overcome his loser-ness, someone else could slap on his 20 Int pimpmobile PC, making it pimp++. That's clearly not in the best interest of the game. That's the first reason I've heard yet for deliberately gimping your PC. I guess it's like a One City Challenge game in Civilization -- you're bored with the regular game and you want to give yourself a handicap. Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]
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