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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5074706" data-attributes="member: 6562">Reality ≠ D&D. Your experiences in the former carry no weight in discussing the latter. Yes. You can never make up for it. Glad you'll concede at least that. That's true, but now that I know what you mean, I don't see how it is relevant to this discussion (about how 4e deals with ability scores). In d20 SW, your Jedi wasn't quite a Wizard. He needed skill ranks and BAB rather than spell slots. You can get skill ranks and BAB from many sources, unlike spell slots. No, really, they could. Only level affected attack rate, but attack bonus and damage were a combination of level, Strength, and magic bonuses. A guy with a THAC0 of 8 didn't care if two points of that came from Str and two came from his sword, or if instead four came from his sword and Str gave him nothing.Also, in 2e your DM could give the low-Strength dude a Belt of Giant Strength, which granted a fixed Strength rather than a bonus -- the guy with 18/98 would have gotten no use out of it.In 3e, the belt did stack, but you could build a weapon with a higher Enhancement bonus rather than more special abilities. If you had a very high Strength, you might add on Ghost Touch instead of another +1. If you had a low Strength, you could make up for it with Weapon Finesse + bonus damage (e.g. Holy, Shock, Bane, etc.). Even if it was often optimal to be a two-handed Power Attack monkey, it wasn't required, and against whole classes of foes the bonus damage dude would have been at a significant advantage.In 4e, you lost both degrees of flexibility. You can't trade out enhancement bonus, and you can't use ability boosters because there are none.  See above. Agreed. This was one of their goals, and they achieved it. So when you said this:  ... you didn't mean that those constraints impaired your PC? If they did impair him, that's the only meaning of "gimped" to which I refer -- you need not sleep in a box, nor wear only paraphernalia, to be "gimped". Sadly he no longer works for WotC.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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