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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 8122848" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Y'see...this is something I don't get. I'm not trying to single you out, Shiroiken, but you made the points so I'm going to use your example as an, uh, example. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Imagine, if you will, The Lord of the Rings as you just described it. The story is about an Evil Ring of Power, created by a super-evil-super-being-of-evil to rule over all the world. Now, you have key characters; Sam, Aragorn, Golum, Nazgul, &quot;the elves&quot;, and The One Ring. If you had never known the 'real' LotR story, this one WOULD be epic. The major Characters would still be there...Sam would take the place of Frodo/Sam. The Ring is still the Ring, Aragorn still Aragorn, Nazgul are Nazgul, always hunting for the Ring. Golum is still kicking, etc.Still epic...just not what we know the story to be.The same &quot;argument&quot; is used sometimes to justify a Player being given the power to 'veto' the results of a game event if it would &quot;kill/remove&quot; their PC. Kinda like if someone was doing a Star Wars campaign and someone was playing Luke. The Player might make the assumption &quot;Well, I can do anything I want...I can't die. If I die, the entire epic story is ruined&quot;. This is the mindset I don't get. A RPG campaign isn't like a recipe for a cake. Baking a cake you can't just substitute floor polish for milk, and switch out plaster for flour. You will not get a cake. But in an RPG? Yes, you CAN switch out Luke for your character Bel'Atha Kurr, the Jedi Apprentice if Luke dies. Will the &quot;normal&quot; Star Wars story, with the whole father/son/daughter thing be the same? Nope! Not even close! Is this bad? Nope! Not even close! In MY opinion...it's BETTER. Because the 'story' unfolds as the Players play the game. That's the draw...Anyway...saying &quot;well, if you take Story/Movie XYZ and then change it completely ...you don't have Story/Movie XYZ anymore!&quot;, is perfectly valid and true. But assuming that if that happens, it somehow &quot;wrecks&quot; the story/campaign? That I don't get. It didn't &quot;ruin the story&quot;... it just changed it. Often for the better.^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pming, post: 8122848, member: 45197"] Hiya! Y'see...this is something I don't get. I'm not trying to single you out, Shiroiken, but you made the points so I'm going to use your example as an, uh, example. :) Imagine, if you will, The Lord of the Rings as you just described it. The story is about an Evil Ring of Power, created by a super-evil-super-being-of-evil to rule over all the world. Now, you have key characters; Sam, Aragorn, Golum, Nazgul, "the elves", and The One Ring. If you had never known the 'real' LotR story, this one WOULD be epic. The major Characters would still be there...Sam would take the place of Frodo/Sam. The Ring is still the Ring, Aragorn still Aragorn, Nazgul are Nazgul, always hunting for the Ring. Golum is still kicking, etc. Still epic...just not what we know the story to be. The same "argument" is used sometimes to justify a Player being given the power to 'veto' the results of a game event if it would "kill/remove" their PC. Kinda like if someone was doing a Star Wars campaign and someone was playing Luke. The Player might make the assumption "Well, I can do anything I want...I can't die. If I die, the entire epic story is ruined". This is the mindset I don't get. A RPG campaign isn't like a recipe for a cake. Baking a cake you can't just substitute floor polish for milk, and switch out plaster for flour. You will not get a cake. But in an RPG? Yes, you CAN switch out Luke for your character Bel'Atha Kurr, the Jedi Apprentice if Luke dies. Will the "normal" Star Wars story, with the whole father/son/daughter thing be the same? Nope! Not even close! Is this bad? Nope! Not even close! In MY opinion...it's BETTER. Because the 'story' unfolds as the Players play the game. That's the draw. .. Anyway...saying "well, if you take Story/Movie XYZ and then change it completely ...you don't have Story/Movie XYZ anymore!", is perfectly valid and true. But assuming that if that happens, it somehow "wrecks" the story/campaign? That I don't get. It didn't "ruin the story"... it just changed it. Often for the better. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]

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