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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7795990" data-attributes="member: 29398">How do I avoid 'overshadowing'?&nbsp; I don't.&nbsp; I ignore it.&nbsp; And we've used random rolls* (assigned) since forever.If a player finds a character isn't working out as envisioned there's nothing stopping that character from wandering off and retiring, assuming of course that the game world hasn't killed it off first. (if you're trying to run a no-death or no-turnover campaign then I'm afraid you're in part the author of your own problem)Also - and someone else already hit these way upthread but they bear repeating - a player can always run more than one character side-along, or bring in a hench or two.But most important is that there's far more to any character than its stats.&nbsp; You can only be overshadowed if you let it happen.&nbsp; My example from 3e, where stats are somewhat more important than the system I usually play, is this: due to my crappy rolling my main PC had the lowest overall stats in the party by a significant amount, yet by the time she hit her final demise (14 adventures and 7 real-world years later) she had become the longest-serving party member and had won a bootful of our annual awards in the process....and in all that time she was NEVER overshadowed! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />* - looking at your other thread title, I have to say 3d6 in order is - though realistic - more than a bit harsh, and is inevitably going to lead to a fair amount of PC suicide-by-Orc until the players end up with characters who are at least somewhat numeretically viable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7795990, member: 29398"] How do I avoid 'overshadowing'? I don't. I ignore it. And we've used random rolls* (assigned) since forever. If a player finds a character isn't working out as envisioned there's nothing stopping that character from wandering off and retiring, assuming of course that the game world hasn't killed it off first. (if you're trying to run a no-death or no-turnover campaign then I'm afraid you're in part the author of your own problem) Also - and someone else already hit these way upthread but they bear repeating - a player can always run more than one character side-along, or bring in a hench or two. But most important is that there's far more to any character than its stats. You can only be overshadowed if you let it happen. My example from 3e, where stats are somewhat more important than the system I usually play, is this: due to my crappy rolling my main PC had the lowest overall stats in the party by a significant amount, yet by the time she hit her final demise (14 adventures and 7 real-world years later) she had become the longest-serving party member and had won a bootful of our annual awards in the process....and in all that time she was NEVER overshadowed! :) * - looking at your other thread title, I have to say 3d6 in order is - though realistic - more than a bit harsh, and is inevitably going to lead to a fair amount of PC suicide-by-Orc until the players end up with characters who are at least somewhat numeretically viable. [/QUOTE]

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