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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7797149" data-attributes="member: 71699">I can see that could happen, and it makes me realise that I'm anticipating high optimisation regardless. So I would drop thar as a goal. My focus is getting away from preconceived ideas about character or party balance*. Those things have their place and I do not intend to denigrate them: equally I want to try something else.[EDIT] I should add that it is the output, not the act, of optimisation that I'm hoping to blunt. I'm morally certain the players I have in mind will optimise. With rolled stats allocated in order, using something like 4d3+3, the results of their optimisation across the party should be mechanically less strong. I wonder if choice of race should even come before roll?!*I mean mechanically. I've noticed that players often coordinate to choose different classes and cover the basic dimensions of play (defined using terms like tank, face, caster, cc, dps, skill-monkey, healer and buffer). They vocally seek to create a &quot;balanced&quot; party. I'd like to DM an unbalanced party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7797149, member: 71699"] I can see that could happen, and it makes me realise that I'm anticipating high optimisation regardless. So I would drop thar as a goal. My focus is getting away from preconceived ideas about character or party balance*. Those things have their place and I do not intend to denigrate them: equally I want to try something else. [EDIT] I should add that it is the output, not the act, of optimisation that I'm hoping to blunt. I'm morally certain the players I have in mind will optimise. With rolled stats allocated in order, using something like 4d3+3, the results of their optimisation across the party should be mechanically less strong. I wonder if choice of race should even come before roll?! *I mean mechanically. I've noticed that players often coordinate to choose different classes and cover the basic dimensions of play (defined using terms like tank, face, caster, cc, dps, skill-monkey, healer and buffer). They vocally seek to create a "balanced" party. I'd like to DM an unbalanced party. [/QUOTE]

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