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Message: <blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 6725912" data-attributes="member: 3192">I'd like to respond back, but I think you'd just repeat what you've said again. For the large part, you're simply naysaying what I've said. "You can't do that! You have to do it this way. Everyone has always done it this way." Well, we can run it as I pointed out. And as D&D was designed to allow players to play it as a game not as collaborative storytelling, it's what we as DMs are supposed to do.On to answering your questions:Game boards (like all the pieces in the game) are function maps of the game's algorithm. C1 is certainly convertible to the game engine as it stands. If the players want it rather than something randomly generated, they can select it - once converted it's all the same.Precisely because D&D is an infinite game, not an finite game. Per game theory terminology.On the contrary. Read the front of the box. D&D is a wargame. And certainly not because it has anything to do with war.There is no such thing as freeform anything in games. Gaming is the act of discovery, never invention. And D&D only qualifies as a game when treated by players as a design to strategize within, so they can master their roles within the design. That's the basis of an RPG, at least as D&D is designed. Also, there is no such thing as a game being played where strategy is not performed. You must know you're rejecting obvious reality now. How can you not remember D&D before the 90s? OD&D was 10-15 years of the most hard-nosed, number-crunching, rule tweaking, nerd-filled gamers as ever existed. (Well, barring some 1970s wargamers.) But we were not well-formed, socially fit, artistic, nuanced expressers! Creating a narrative held no game challenge for us. You can't lose telling a story! (which is why those that can never be a game). We were gamers! Everyone of us. As everyone everywhere understood games to be then. Something in no way resembling storytelling - the act of quitting gaming to make something up. This is not what created the craze of D&D. You're putting the absolutism of critical theory before its inception (early 80s) and ignoring the past.  D&D was as addictive as any other number crunching, pattern recognizing, code deciphering game. (or puzzle <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) And just like every other game that requires rigorous mental processing and memory recall it was copied onto a computer, the true successor of RPGs, roleplaying without the referee.FYI, D&D was actually a breakthrough because it uses extensionality to cover everything any player could ever, perhaps not imagine, but convey to a referee who converted that then into the game system so everything could be actually gamed. That was a game worthy of lifelong addiction where you never wanted a single play of a game to end. Where the depth of the pattern was its complexity and created a hardcore gamer craze in the era of pinball and Pacman. Generating them, as I said.JUdgment? Yes. Choice? No. Pull out that protractor and measure. Do the math. Move the game pieces. This is the point of being a referee rather than a player. A referee in D&D (like in Mastermind) does not make choices after the game has begun. They impartially relating the pattern generated according to the attempts of players to decipher. (In the 70s and in D&D expressing a fictional persona had zero to do with roleplaying). ---Anyways, I hope the above clarifies things for you and maybe jogs your memory. You're a smart, level-headed guy and I'm hoping you're willing to remember what was actually going on in the wargaming communities of the 70s and 80s and their counterpart community RPGs.Last point, Gary certainly never wanted D&D to be storygame. He spoke out against "theater games" even at the end of his life (even though he lost one battle to bad game design - "skill games"). He designed massive amounts of rules to ensure D&D could be such a wonderful game and not fall into the non-game cesspit of improvisation. These rules may not have been all great, but their amount certifies his commitment to maintaining D&D's status as a game, for certain.</blockquote>

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