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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9364352" data-attributes="member: 7037866">But that was my point... this doesn't make sense.If someone turned a flamethrower on you, ducking behind your shield, turning your back, etc. won't help you one bit. You're still engulfed in flames and burning.So, those narratives don't help &quot;make sense&quot; because they aren't realistic. Besides which, any of those things would IMO represent a successful save, which is why you decreased the damage. But a failed save? Nope, those things just aren't happening.I'll turn to a different example: Evasion. For large AoE effects (like an ancient red dragon), how are you evading this!?!Unless you can, quite literally, get out of the AoE, how can you justify taking no damage? For most players, even avoiding the brunt of damage requires the expenditure of some hit points! Evasion as a half, save for quarter, is better IMO than half, save for none.But, saving throws are a wierd thing, and really just more plot armor---like hit points. We accept that PCs are &quot;harder to kill&quot; than what would ever be possible IRL. I personally think of things like action movies. The good guy keeps pushing on because of his durability, will to live, and sometimes just dumb luck.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9364352, member: 7037866"] But that was my point... this [I]doesn't[/I] make sense. If someone turned a flamethrower on you, ducking behind your shield, turning your back, etc. won't help you one bit. You're still engulfed in flames and burning. So, those narratives don't help "make sense" [I]because [/I]they aren't realistic. Besides which, any of those things would IMO represent a successful save, which is why you decreased the damage. But a failed save? Nope, those things just aren't happening. I'll turn to a different example: Evasion. For large AoE effects (like an ancient red dragon), [I]how are you evading this!?![/I] Unless you can, quite literally, get out of the AoE, how can you justify taking [I]no damage[/I]? For most players, even avoiding the brunt of damage requires the expenditure of [I]some[/I] hit points! Evasion as a half, save for quarter, is better IMO than half, save for none. But, saving throws are a wierd thing, and really just more plot armor---like hit points. We accept that PCs are "harder to kill" than what would ever be possible IRL. I personally think of things like action movies. The good guy keeps pushing on because of his durability, will to live, and sometimes just dumb luck. [/QUOTE]

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