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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9364381" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You seem to be jumping to an unsupported conclusion. Lava = Death does not mean Hazard = Death. Yes, we are moving away from the designer's seeming intent, but also... Lava isn't something that we often see ANYONE in fantasy just shrugging off. Except for &quot;I am a dragon of fire, therefore I bath in lava&quot; and that is a creature with Fire Immunity, and I would say they are still feeling the heat of the lava, treating it like a hot tub. But this doesn't apply to lightning bolts from storms, or blizzards of slicing ice, or poisonous swamp fumes. Those are still perfectly fine hazards to face. My current &quot;this is instant death&quot; list would look like 1) Lava/Magma2) The Sun3) Actual Blackhole (not a sphere of annihilation, a naturally forming black hole) 4) Cosmic level poison, ie &quot;This is a poison that kills gods&quot; being used on a mortal being. 5) The True Center of an elemental planeAnd to be clear, these are not things that are instant death for everything. A fire elemental can wade through lava without a problem, so could a God. But a mortal hero isn't going to be able to do so without special abilities or preparations. But it does make sense to me that there are things that are not meant to be survivable by mortal flesh. That does not mean I reject hazards or what a gritty game. There is a scale here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9364381, member: 6801228"] You seem to be jumping to an unsupported conclusion. Lava = Death does not mean Hazard = Death. Yes, we are moving away from the designer's seeming intent, but also... Lava isn't something that we often see ANYONE in fantasy just shrugging off. Except for "I am a dragon of fire, therefore I bath in lava" and that is a creature with Fire Immunity, and I would say they are still feeling the heat of the lava, treating it like a hot tub. But this doesn't apply to lightning bolts from storms, or blizzards of slicing ice, or poisonous swamp fumes. Those are still perfectly fine hazards to face. My current "this is instant death" list would look like 1) Lava/Magma 2) The Sun 3) Actual Blackhole (not a sphere of annihilation, a naturally forming black hole) 4) Cosmic level poison, ie "This is a poison that kills gods" being used on a mortal being. 5) The True Center of an elemental plane And to be clear, these are not things that are instant death for everything. A fire elemental can wade through lava without a problem, so could a God. But a mortal hero isn't going to be able to do so without special abilities or preparations. But it does make sense to me that there are things that are not meant to be survivable by mortal flesh. That does not mean I reject hazards or what a gritty game. There is a scale here. [/QUOTE]

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