How do you kill a Fiendish half-Black Dragon troll?

[James McMurray]

Having the fire subtype and being on fire are two entirely seperate things.

 

[mzsylver]

Yes, but you must inflict non-subdual damage (i.e., fire or acid for a troll) in order to complete a coup de grace (action description).

you have the high level rogue use a vial of alchemist fire... mmm... sneak attack dice = good

 

[kreynolds]

Considering how Poly doesn't give the Su or Ex qualities, how is a troll getting half elemental due to the spell?

Magical experiments. This is exactly the type of thing I would expect to see inside the home of Szass Tam.

 

[jgbrowning]

The Half-feind template gives Fire resistance, the half Black dragon template gives acid resistance. A Troll can only be killed by acid or fire

so How do you kill a Fiendish half-Black Dragon troll?

make them read http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23296 Joe's Puzzler #1 (clerics and lightningbolts) ?


joe b.

 

[Xarlen]

I figure there's also some stuff in there to cure Undead Baldness, Undead Inverility, and probably some Vampire Concubines...

Oh, wait, I'm thinking of the Lich behind *OUR* medical copanies and secret societies.

 

[Anubis]

Yes, but you must inflict non-subdual damage (i.e., fire or acid for a troll) in order to complete a coup de grace (action description).

Wrong. According to the MM, if you inflict enough subdual damage on a creature with regeneration to knock it out (by giving it more subdual damage than it has hit points), then a coup de grace can kill it.

I see the confusion, however, seeing as the DMG directly contradicts this.

Since the MM was printed AFTER the DMG, the rules about monsters in the MM supercede those found in the DMG. Who knows? Personally, I think regenration is way too powerful without allowing the coup de grace kill. Even little imps are extremely powerful and almost unbeatable if you don't allow the coup de grace kill.

 

[Xarlen]

It'd be a lot cooler if Regen took a little longer to, y'know, get them back together.

I realize it's COOL to see a Troll in sludge form meld back together, but seriously, if I hit the sucker with a Maxed Cone of Cold, he needs to STAY DOWN for a few hours.

 

[kreynolds]

Wrong.

No. You are wrong.

The attack cannot be of a type that automatically converts to subdual damage.

 

[Someone]

Knock it down and strangle it. Regeneration does not protect from suffocation.

 

[da chicken]

No. You are wrong.

Wow. kreynolds is agreeing with me?

you have the high level rogue use a vial of alchemist fire... mmm... sneak attack dice = good

Unfortunately, that doesn't work. CDG says you need a melee weapon, a bow, or a crossbow. It is possible they didn't mean to eliminate the other types of weapons, but by the rules, you can't do it. Heck, you can't even CDG with a pistol.

Still, I'd say a plurality of DMs would allow it.