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<blockquote data-quote="Vince_Snetterton" data-source="post: 8456645" data-attributes="member: 7033114">I was pointing out the silliness of the debate.The natural extension of this debate is that limitations based on size be done away with next. And that is simply the wrong direction for the game to take. Yes, we should be doubling down on species based differences. Under no circumstances should a 3'3 &quot; 40 pound Halfling, even one that spent their lives dedicated to martial fighting, even at level 19, have the ability to dead lift as much 250 pound 6'6&quot; Half-Orc, even one that has dedicated its life to the arcane arts. Even though this is a game with magic everywhere, there are basic bio-mechanical laws that simply can't be broken. So until WOTC releases some kind of &quot;relative strength&quot; modifiers (which they won't, because that is &quot;hard&quot; and &quot;boring and no fun&quot;), we are stuck with the abstractions we have today, and that means hard limits on species. You do note that the game already acknowledges the variations in species by simply height and weight, which tracks pretty closely to real world human differences. So other limitations are perfectly reasonable.You want to have a debate about Int, or Wis, or CHA...yeah, these are attributes that I can concede may not have limitations across the species. But the physical ones...nope. There has to be some &quot;reality&quot; in the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vince_Snetterton, post: 8456645, member: 7033114"] I was pointing out the silliness of the debate. The natural extension of this debate is that limitations based on size be done away with next. And that is simply the wrong direction for the game to take. Yes, we should be doubling down on species based differences. Under no circumstances should a 3'3 " 40 pound Halfling, even one that spent their lives dedicated to martial fighting, even at level 19, have the ability to dead lift as much 250 pound 6'6" Half-Orc, even one that has dedicated its life to the arcane arts. Even though this is a game with magic everywhere, there are basic bio-mechanical laws that simply can't be broken. So until WOTC releases some kind of "relative strength" modifiers (which they won't, because that is "hard" and "boring and no fun"), we are stuck with the abstractions we have today, and that means hard limits on species. You do note that the game already acknowledges the variations in species by simply height and weight, which tracks pretty closely to real world human differences. So other limitations are perfectly reasonable. You want to have a debate about Int, or Wis, or CHA...yeah, these are attributes that I can concede may not have limitations across the species. But the physical ones...nope. There has to be some "reality" in the game. [/QUOTE]

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