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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8458541" data-attributes="member: 71699">I am well aware that the PHB advises players which abilities to put their highest scores into. According to what you have said previously, doing so is not required: a player following that advice is power gaming seeing as it will make their character stronger in play. Or can you explain exactly what the difference is between 'building a reasonably efficient character and not gimping yourself' and power gaming? Is it a 14 instead of a 16? On what grounds do you argue that, given that a race + standard array is very likely to result in a 16* (inevitable for standard human, nearly certain for a half-elf, or must the latter avoid following the PHB advice when it comes to their floating +1s?)It is a strawman to introduce here 'asking the DM to enable options': we are discussing what should be the future core rules, not what a player might beg from their DM. Still, it does seem like the kind of hedging you have committed yourself to once you start special pleading between 'reasonably efficient' and 'power gaming' while refusing to accept anyone liking their highest score in their primary ability - as advised by the PHB - might not be power gaming.It's hard to understand then why you are not aware of the extremes of optimisation that are only possible using the 4d6k3 system, and why most optimisers use standard array or point-buy as a fairer starting point. You're conscious of the Anydice evaluation of the 4d6k3 average array, relative to the standard array, right?*Or an average array alone, from 4d6k3.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8458541, member: 71699"] I am well aware that the PHB advises players which abilities to put their highest scores into. According to what you have said previously, doing so is not required: a player following that advice is power gaming seeing as it will make their character stronger in play. Or can you explain exactly what the difference is between '[I]building a reasonably efficient character and not gimping yourself[/I]' and power gaming? Is it a 14 instead of a 16? On what grounds do you argue that, given that a race + standard array is very likely to result in a 16* (inevitable for standard human, nearly certain for a half-elf, or must the latter avoid following the PHB advice when it comes to their floating +1s?) It is a strawman to introduce here '[I]asking the DM to enable options[/I]': we are discussing what should be the future core rules, not what a player might beg from their DM. Still, it does seem like the kind of hedging you have committed yourself to once you start special pleading between '[I]reasonably efficient[/I]' and '[I]power gaming[/I]' while refusing to accept anyone liking their highest score in their primary ability - as advised by the PHB - might not be power gaming. It's hard to understand then why you are not aware of the extremes of optimisation that are only possible using the 4d6k3 system, and why most optimisers use standard array or point-buy as a fairer starting point. You're conscious of the Anydice evaluation of the 4d6k3 average array, relative to the standard array, right? *Or an average array alone, from 4d6k3. [/QUOTE]

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