How Does AI Affect Your Online Shopping?

You discover a product you were interested in was made with AI. How does that affect you?

  • I am now more likely to buy that product.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am now less likely to buy that product.

    Votes: 29 59.2%
  • I am neither more nor less likely to buy that product.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • I need more information about the product now.

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • I do not need more information about this product.

    Votes: 10 20.4%
  • The product seems more valuable to me now.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The product seems less valuable to me now.

    Votes: 29 59.2%
  • The product value hasn't changed to me.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • I will buy the product purely on principle.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I will not buy the product purely on principle.

    Votes: 28 57.1%
  • My principles do not extend to a product's use of AI.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • I think all products should be required to disclose their use of AI.

    Votes: 36 73.5%
  • I don't think products should be required to disclose their use of AI.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't care if products disclose their use of AI or not.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

Just to play devil's advocate, but that makes a bunch of assumptions:
1. It's all made from AI, and there are no human-created parts you want. Say it's a single individual using AI for interior art for an otherwise solid project who can't affort to hire an artist for likely more than it will ever make? (Note: I'd still skip it because of the ethics of the generative art model training, but since you were willing to use ChatGPT that doesn't seem to be a blockage.)
I am not willing to use ChatGPT because I have ethical issues with LLMs. Thus the big "IF" in my post.

So no, I would not buy it.
3. Nor is assuming that what they did is obvious/intuitive -- if someone had a fresh idea but didn't have the skills to realize it and leaned on AI, you will turn down what they, the creator of the idea did, but are willing to steal their idea without compensation so you can generate it yourself in AI? So it's still using AI, but now you're stealing a creator's vision and concept as well? And that's "better"?
I don't know what you mean. I am not willing to steal anything.
Again, I have strong issues with the ethics of the training models of the art and LLM generative AIs. But isn't taking someone's ideas without compensation is equally as unethical as taking other things people have created without compensation.
Yes. Therefore I wouldn't do it. I don't know why you think I would.
 

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Maybe start off by using the right terms and the right context in the description.

I doubt that anyone would decline their lifesaving medicine that were developed with AI. Or all the decades old software tools for the disabled.

AI is a very broad and old field in computer science, the more recent aspects of LLM and image generation, specifically in digital RPG products, are often viewed negatively. And with good reason. Just as many of the self made products have a negative perception, that goes even back to the D20 days where everyone and their father were publishing D20 products in often abysmal quality...

There are multiple reasons why I buy stuff, besides a collectors drift that you might call an addiction... ;)

  • Need: Like food, shelter, etc.
  • Pleasure: Good food, something nice to look at, a good book, etc.
  • Entertainment: Something that isn't necessarily at the high level of 'pleasure', but something to enjoy nonetheless. A (RPG) book, a movie, a series, a copmputer game, a board game, etc.
  • Time-savers: Better computers, specific software, tools, appliances, services, etc.

LLM and image generation falls under the header of time-savers in my book, which as an end-function have an entertainment objective. Example:

I've been using LLM (DeepSeek) to generate room descriptions for a mega dungeon, I could write those myself, but it saves enormous amounts of time to use LLM, and to be honest LLM might be better then 90% of the people writing room descriptions for adventures (heck a LOT of what I got out of the LLM is better then the official TSR/WotC descriptions). But what people forget is that it still takes time, if you're doing a mega dungeon it still takes a LOT of time.

From that LLM room description I use a deep learning text-to-speech service (also AI => Elevenlabs) to convert it to audio files. That requires a subscription, which isn't cheap in the first place.

I also use that room description with another LLM (ChatGPT with a specific instruction set) to generate image prompts for Midjourney image generation, so with each room I have a text description, an audiofile so I don't have to read it aloud myself, and an image to show the players.

Over the last year and a half I've spent almost $500 on just text to speech and image generation services. The LLM stuff I used was free (but can also be quite expensive) and I don't know how many hours on finagling prompts, setting up the right settings, input for text to speech, organizing, etc. BUT if I had done that completely myself (writing and audio recording) would have probably taken a decade if not decades. Plus more money in audio recording hardware/software, audio dampening panels, etc.

Another tool I bought is MacWhisper, which can use a local LLM model (Whisper Large V3 Turbo) to convert speech to text. Everything is done locally, so nothing goes into the cloud. I record our RPG sessions (everyone is aware this happens) and use the software to transcribe the audio tracks and it creates a text file with who says what that it somewhat accurate. Doing that by hand would take a LOT of time, at least as long as the 4 hour recording, probably a LOT longer... I could also pay someone to do that, but that would be very expensive. Now the cost is a single $70 payment and a strong enough local machine (Mac Mini M4 Pro 64GB, but would work with less).

Would I have payed someone for a good finished AI made product that had done all that, heck yes! Not because I could not do it myself, but because I would assume it would be cheaper then the subscriptions I paid for and the oodles of time I spend on it...

People who say "I'd generate that myself!" they clearly never have.

That doesn't mean that I would accept any completely LLM/IG generated piece of $#!& without looking at it. But if it does what I want at a reasonable price, I'm fine with it. After all I've been buying TSR/WotC products for decades... ;)

Sidenote: DTRPG allows for pdf previews, when they are not present without some darned good reason (like the product isn't a pdf), then that's already a strike against the product, no matter if it's made via LLM and image generation or not. If there are no reviews, no previews, then it's a pass no matter how it's made.
 



Something catches your eye, and the price is decent (say ~$30), so you scroll down and read the details. And near the bottom, right before the credits, you find a statement saying that the product you were looking at--text, art, logos, maybe the whole package--was created with AI.

How does that singular statement affect you, the consumer, in that moment?
at that price point, I’ll probably skip it. If some homebrew $5 product uses AI images because otherwise there would be no art at all, that is one thing for me, but when you compete with official products / 3pps then a product using AI is a huge strike against it. Text even moreso than images
 

at that price point, I’ll probably skip it. If some homebrew $5 product uses AI images because otherwise there would be no art at all, that is one thing for me, but when you compete with official products / 3pps then a product using AI is a huge strike against it. Text even moreso than images
What's the difference between a homebrew $5 product and a 3PP?
 

at that price point, I’ll probably skip it. If some homebrew $5 product uses AI images because otherwise there would be no art at all, that is one thing for me, but when you compete with official products / 3pps then a product using AI is a huge strike against it. Text even moreso than images
I would pay $5 for no art instead of AI art. If someone is charging diddly squat, they better not be using AI.
 

if someone had a fresh idea but didn't have the skills to realize it and leaned on AI, you will turn down what they, the creator of the idea did, but are willing to steal their idea without compensation so you can generate it yourself in AI? So it's still using AI, but now you're stealing a creator's vision and concept as well? And that's "better"?

Well lets take AI out of it. Say I read about a game in Drivethru. Let's say its a mash up of Cowboys who fall through a time portal and have to fight in the Crusades. I think its a great idea but see the game uses GURPS. I dont want to play GURPS so I homebrew a game using the old WEG Starwars system.

You think in that situation because I used there idea and should compensate them?

Like I can't run a game with Cowboys and the Crusades because someone else thought it up even though the execution isn't what I want.

Thats a crazy strict moral compass.
 

What's the difference between a homebrew $5 product and a 3PP?
3pp I think Kobold Press, Cubicle 7, or others creating 5e material, material similar to what WotC releases at a similar price point for the digital release - or KS that make tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Homebrew on the other hand is a small product with a small(er) audience at a lower price point (say $1 - $5) that sells maybe 50 copies.
 

3pp I think Kobold Press, Cubicle 7, or others creating 5e material, material similar to what WotC releases at a similar price point for the digital release - or KS that make tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Homebrew on the other hand is a small product with a small(er) audience at a lower price point (say $1 - $5) that sells maybe 50 copies.
So it's a retroactive classification based on whether it sells well?
 

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