How does one destroy the Weave?

[Lela]

Re: Re: Re: Antimagic Fields...

Problem is that the FRCS does spell it out, to the contrary. An antimagic field actively blocks magic forces, and is still effective against the Shadow Weave. So is Spell Resistance, for that matter.

I see the dead magic part (p. 57) but not the Antimagic reference. I know I've seen it before. Would you mind pointing it out for me?

 

[Alzrius]

Re: Re: Re: Antimagic Fields...

Problem is that the FRCS does spell it out, to the contrary. An antimagic field actively blocks magic forces, and is still effective against the Shadow Weave. So is Spell Resistance, for that matter.

Where does it say that about antimagic fields? Man I wish I had my books here with me...

Originally posted by Fade
Learn Dark Sun Defiling magic. Teach it to all the red wizards. Consume the Weave.

That wouldn't work either. The reason the wizards on Athas need to use defiling or preserving is that there is no source of magic other than the life force of plants around them (or animals if you're a dragon). If they were to use those techniques on Faerun, they'd be gathering power from plants still, and it wouldn't have anything to do with the Weave, since they wouldn't even be drawing from it. All they'd likely do is piss off every ranger and druid on the continent.

 

[Storminator]

I couldn't believe that. Shar is a goddess of loss, pain, and bitterness, not death, destruction, or nihilism. She wouldn't want to enact a plan that is ultimately suicidal.

We'll just disagree on this.

PS

 

[Merlion]

I couldn't believe that. Shar is a goddess of loss, pain, and bitterness, not death, destruction, or nihilism. She wouldn't want to enact a plan that is ultimately suicidal.

Shar as presented most recently is basicaly a nihlist. Magic of Faerun spells it out pretty plainly. Her plan is, weaken Mystra by subverting her worshipers. kill mystra and steal the portfolio of magic/the weave. Use this power to kill Selune. set about destroying everything that is and returning it to the nothingness out of which Shar/Selune was born. Aparently since Shar has always been and existed before toril, she will continue to be even if it ceases to exist
Perosnaly I dont see well first of all I dont believe a mortal or mortals could ever destroy the weave since the one time that happened it required a 12th level spell and 12th level spells can no longer exist. plus I dont know how a party could ever be powerful enough to deal with all the things and people who'd opose them if they tried. since it would eventualy involve Greater Powers and possibly even Ao if it got that far.
Given her plan Shar wouldnt really want the weave destroyed. She wants it for herself...for a while. I also agree with Henry...the Shadow Weave is just that...the Shadow of the Weave. Cant have the shadow without the original.

 

[Sarellion]

Excellent comments folks.

The wizard of the group is soon to join the Red Wizards, as the group has recently had a stunning success which will greatly profit the wizard's master. His master is always looking to place former apprentices well, and promoting the PC to the Red will fit her plans perfectly. At one point or another this group is likely to tangle with everyone in the Realms, and I fully expect they will join the ranks of the most hated and feared powers on the planet. Enemies and adventures won't be hard to come by.

PS

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The Red Wizards aren't Shadow Weave users, so they are affected, too. I don't think they would take kindly to it, especially the zulkirs who are specialising on the areas, the Shadow Weave is weak in supporting.

 

[Storminator]

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The Red Wizards aren't Shadow Weave users, so they are affected, too. I don't think they would take kindly to it, especially the zulkirs who are specialising on the areas, the Shadow Weave is weak in supporting.

Certainly not all of them are, but those that are naturally won't be loyal to those that aren't. If they please their godess and damage their rivals, all while increasing their own power they'll be pretty happy all around.

But folks! Pay attention to my qualifiers! They aren't trying to destroy the weave altogether, they just want to damage it a bit. Mess with Mystra, destroy holy places in Rasheman, target the wizard labs of foes, that sort of thing. They aren't looking at Karsus scenario here.

And yes, they will have a huge array of enemies. The reason this plan is hatching is that they've decided to kill the Simbul. The chain reactions that grow from there put all the following on the hit list:

Simbul
Elminster
Rest of the Seven Sisters
Blackstaff
hundreds (thousands?) of adventurers those folks have helped
Aglarond
Silverymoon
Mystra
Azuth

That's just to start. In order to get up to the levels it takes to play on that field, they'll make a ton more foes along the way.

PS

 

[Staffan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Antimagic Fields...

I see the dead magic part (p. 57) but not the Antimagic reference. I know I've seen it before. Would you mind pointing it out for me?

It's just after the dead magic part.
"A Shadow Weave effect works normally in a dead magic or wild magic zone. (An antimagic field, which blocks the flow of magic, remains effective against Shadow Weave magic, as does spell resistance.) Skilled Shadow Weave users are able to cast spells that are extraordinarily difficult for Weave users to perceive, counter or dispel."

 

[Lela]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antimagic Fields...

It's just after the dead magic part.
"A Shadow Weave effect works normally in a dead magic or wild magic zone. (An antimagic field, which blocks the flow of magic, remains effective against Shadow Weave magic, as does spell resistance.) Skilled Shadow Weave users are able to cast spells that are extraordinarily difficult for Weave users to perceive, counter or dispel."

Okay, now I feel stupid. I read that two or three times without seeing it.

I also agree with Henry...the Shadow Weave is just that...the Shadow of the Weave. Cant have the shadow without the original.

FRCS p. 57. It's described as the "Negative space between the Weave's strands." Though it seemed more a metaphor to me. *shrug*

 

[Alzrius]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antimagic Fields...

FRCS p. 57. It's described as the "Negative space between the Weave's strands." Though it seemed more a metaphor to me. *shrug*

It also seemed to me that it could not be the inverse of the Weave because the Shadow Weave didn't exist until Shar created it, and that was some time after the Weave came into being. If it truly was the shadow of the Weave, it would have immediately sprung into existence when the Weave itself did, but that wasn't the case.

Originally posted by Merlion
Shar as presented most recently is basicaly a nihlist. Magic of Faerun spells it out pretty plainly. Her plan is, weaken Mystra by subverting her worshipers. kill mystra and steal the portfolio of magic/the weave. Use this power to kill Selune. set about destroying everything that is and returning it to the nothingness out of which Shar/Selune was born. Aparently since Shar has always been and existed before toril, she will continue to be even if it ceases to exist.

Nihilism, as I understand it, also includes the destruction of the self (since nihilists don't believe anything, including themselves, is real. Someone who thinks their own self is the only real thing is a solipsist), and Shar isn't suicidal, she isn't a nihilist. I also think methods count here. She isn't one of the Gods of Fury, who seek active and violent destruction. She's more like the slow fading of light into darkness.

 

[blackshirt5]

Personally I think it would be a lot more fun into making the players think that a certain artifact will punch holes in the weave.

They locate it's lair, fight off the guardians, and turns out its a sphere of annihilation that leaves dead magic in it's wake (ie eat all energy from the area).

It'll take the sphere a long time to destroy the world, but what if there was a plot hatched by a long dead crazy wizard who created thousands and thousands of spheres, and all anyone has to do is find the caches and release them into the world?

even worse, when two combine, they get stronger and able to resist spells that might cancel them out, eventually you might have all of them combined to create a black hole and gobble up toril. hmmmmm ...... Omicron anyone? hehehehe

Dear lord that's cool.

Angcuru, if you read this, pay no attention, I'm not gonna do this to my world...

Although for the sake of black(hole) comedy and copyright protection, I'm gonna have to change of that giant ball to EunuchSean.