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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 5823989" data-attributes="member: 1165">That's way too good a bonus for the PCs. If the NPCs win, they carry out their mission, don't get punished for wussing out, and get the PCs' gear too. Depending on their mission, they might even be expected to capture the PCs and get info out of them. (The fact that capturing is nearly impossible in D&amp;D rules is another issue entirely; it's the perception that matters.)Using that rule, a peasant armed with a wood-cutter's axe could intimidate a dozen bandits into backing off, because he might kill one of them when they attack. (Even though they've got arrows.)The out-of-the-book Intimidate rules are pretty bad actually, especially the in-combat use. Trading a standard action to inflict &quot;shaken&quot; on an enemy for 1 round is lame. On the other hand, potentially forcing an entire unit of enemies to surrender based on a lucky roll is lame in the other direction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 5823989, member: 1165"] That's way too good a bonus for the PCs. If the NPCs win, they carry out their mission, don't get punished for wussing out, and get the PCs' gear too. Depending on their mission, they might even be expected to capture the PCs and get info out of them. (The fact that capturing is nearly impossible in D&D rules is another issue entirely; it's the perception that matters.) Using that rule, a peasant armed with a wood-cutter's axe could intimidate a dozen bandits into backing off, because he might kill one of them when they attack. (Even though they've got arrows.) The out-of-the-book Intimidate rules are pretty bad actually, especially the in-combat use. Trading a standard action to inflict "shaken" on an enemy for 1 round is lame. On the other hand, potentially forcing an entire unit of enemies to surrender based on a lucky roll is lame in the other direction. [/QUOTE]

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