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Message: <blockquote data-quote="thullgrim" data-source="post: 9453576" data-attributes="member: 8103">There’s nothing wrong with scripted adventures.  I know the internet hates them but apparently they are popular enough that the industry continues to produce them.   See Paizos adventure paths for the first example.You can have a scripted adventure and still have agency.   The agency comes from making decisions within the constraints of the established social contract.  The group makes a social contract decision. This is the game we are playing.  We make this decisions with open eyes, knowing that there are plot beats you’ll have to hit.  And then spoon feed them the story.  Get your RPG on through narration, playing NPCs, and revealing the plot to them.Its fine for players to want their characters to know how to do a thing.  I can’t roleplay an 18 strength why should I have to roleplay trying to find a trap.  My rogue character is a subject matter expert here.  He knows where it’s likely to be. He rolls perception to find it.  If successful he’s smarter than the trap setter. If he fails he eats the trap.People get really wound up about challenging players but why should it be adversarial like that.  I play an imaginary elf man who knows things I don’t. Challenging my elf man means he rolls his skill to find the trap. Move on.Know and accept yourself and your group. Manage both sets of expectations. If I was going to continue to play with them I’d pick pick PF1 or PF2. I’d grab 3-5 adventure paths I was interested in and then let them pick the story.  - I know I’d do this because I just went through this process with my own group.  When my short GURPS campaign wraps we’ll be doing PF1 and Curse of the Crimson Throne. It’s taken me a couple years to realize my group doesn’t have the same depth of game that I do but I like playing with them. This is the happy medium I settled on. I get some story. They get to feel like bad asses.Edited because phone and I have fat thumbs…</blockquote>

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