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<blockquote data-quote="erdamon" data-source="post: 2149291" data-attributes="member: 13794">I dont particularly like it.&nbsp; Lets take an Aesimarr which is +1LA.&nbsp; Under your system you trading:-1 BAB (not just too hit)-1 too all saves-1 AC-1 too all skill checksfor:+2 Wis, +2 Cha+2 listen, spotdaylight 1/dayresistance (acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5)darkvision 60'or with a hobgoblin:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2 Dex, +2 Con&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Darkvision 60'&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4 racial bonus to move silently checks&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; As you can see your penalties kill many of the benefits you would have gained for the +1 LA.&nbsp; Such as the +1 con save hobgoblins gained for the +2 con or the +2listen/spot becoming +1.And as you said, I dont think it will scale very well.&nbsp; Is a drow worth 3bab, 3 to all saves and skills and 3 AC?Perhaps if you applied some of these penalties upfront and then removed them as the character leveled it would work a bit better.&nbsp; Simular to the buyout concept.Personally I prefered just applying a exp penalty of the LA period ala <a href="http://stempel.home.mindspring.com/Index.htm" target="_blank">http://stempel.home.mindspring.com/Index.htm</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="erdamon, post: 2149291, member: 13794"] I dont particularly like it. Lets take an Aesimarr which is +1LA. Under your system you trading: -1 BAB (not just too hit) -1 too all saves -1 AC -1 too all skill checks for: +2 Wis, +2 Cha +2 listen, spot daylight 1/day resistance (acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5) darkvision 60' or with a hobgoblin: +2 Dex, +2 Con Darkvision 60' +4 racial bonus to move silently checks As you can see your penalties kill many of the benefits you would have gained for the +1 LA. Such as the +1 con save hobgoblins gained for the +2 con or the +2listen/spot becoming +1. And as you said, I dont think it will scale very well. Is a drow worth 3bab, 3 to all saves and skills and 3 AC? Perhaps if you applied some of these penalties upfront and then removed them as the character leveled it would work a bit better. Simular to the buyout concept. Personally I prefered just applying a exp penalty of the LA period ala [url]http://stempel.home.mindspring.com/Index.htm[/url] [/QUOTE]

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