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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6054039" data-attributes="member: 87792">Unclear phrasing.  Fascinate as a condition is easy to break.  Any hostile action will do it.  Drawing a weapon, for example.  Sure, it was highly likely to take effect if you tried it - but its power was limited by the fact its usefulness was very situational so was a niche ability.  Now it's extremely situational and not terribly likely to work compared to any of the actually effective enchantments.  Also it's taken a massive time nerf - down from the duration of the bard's performance to 1 round/level.Which meant it used to be a nice tool for complex plans, with the ease of numerical success offset by the difficulty of getting it into a situation where it could work.  You drop the bard off in the guard's barracks as part of an assassination to keep the reinforcements busy.  Now a 20th level bard can only hold the barracks with fascinate for about three minutes and the save DC isn't that high so you can't have a bard holding a room at sane levels.  This means there is no point using fascinate to enable plans, making it pure weak sauce.Yes, the scaling was wrong.  But to be useful for the sort of thing it should be, Fascinate needed to be really difficult to resist as the effect was so weak.  If Pathfinder had actually bothered to understand the Bard and e.g. made Fascinate into a 15+(level/2)+Cha DC and instituted a rule saying "Every five rounds of fascinate takes one round of bardic performance" to enable minutes rather than seconds it would work properly.At low levels on the flanks in melee can often be the safest place to be except behind a solid wall.  Goblins and Kobolds can focus fire on anyone not in melee.  And calling a bard super-squishy is pushing it, especially in PF.  Light armour is good and you can't afford something better than scale (which PF fortunately bumped by a point - it needed it) at 1st level.Sure.  It just really isn't any different than throw something and move first round overall.</blockquote>

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