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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5487381" data-attributes="member: 19675">It counters your point because the lack of stats is not indicative of some game design delineation between &quot;special&quot; and &quot;normal&quot; beings, it's just an artifact of simplified bookkeeping for the DM.After all, a 10th level character is pretty special, right?&nbsp; And yet there is poor, normal, &quot;Average Joe&quot; 10th level Coroval the Statless Wonder.IOW, the lack of stats in and of itself only tells you that the character in question is an NPC, not that he's somehow inherently &quot;lesser.&quot;None of course, because the player needs to know everything about his PC.&nbsp; The same does not hold true for each and every NPC the DM controls.What do you think would happen if, instead of fighting Coroval to defeat him, the party thief challenged him to a test of thieving skills?&nbsp; If he agrees to the challenge, I guaran-damn-tee you that no DM is going to just let the lack of stats let the PC walk all over he NPC.&nbsp; He'll take a break, see which stats he needs to fill out the modifiers for the thief skills that the challenges will be based on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5487381, member: 19675"] It counters your point because the lack of stats is not indicative of some game design delineation between "special" and "normal" beings, it's just an artifact of simplified bookkeeping for the DM. After all, a 10th level character is pretty special, right? And yet there is poor, normal, "Average Joe" 10th level Coroval the Statless Wonder. IOW, the lack of stats in and of itself only tells you that the character in question is an NPC, not that he's somehow inherently "lesser." None of course, because the player needs to know everything about his PC. The same does not hold true for each and every NPC the DM controls. What do you think would happen if, instead of fighting Coroval to defeat him, the party thief challenged him to a test of thieving skills? If he agrees to the challenge, I guaran-damn-tee you that no DM is going to just let the lack of stats let the PC walk all over he NPC. He'll take a break, see which stats he needs to fill out the modifiers for the thief skills that the challenges will be based on. [/QUOTE]

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