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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5490502" data-attributes="member: 19675">I know you know what I meant by that.&nbsp; At no point does Bats do anything beyond the capabilities of another trained human in the DC continuum.&nbsp; He does not warp reality, he lives within it.&nbsp; Nothing in his repertoire would be described by DC continuum scientists as being a &quot;power&quot;, by DC arcanists a &quot;spell&quot;.&nbsp; He is not the strongest, smartest, fastest.&nbsp; He is an idealized human.&nbsp; He has no otherworldliness in his genetics, no blessing of the gods, no magic ritual to set him apart.&nbsp; Just training.He is a mundane.&nbsp; A muggle.No, no they can't.&nbsp; Not without some non-human aspect to them.&nbsp; The way Greeks thought about heroism almost precludes this.*. While there are purely human Greek heroes, the ones anyone can name are all partly non-human.Orpheus was the son of a Muse and either a human or the god Apollo.&nbsp; Achilles was the son of a nymph and protected by a ritual bathing in the River Styx.&nbsp; Perseus was the son of Zeus.Odysseus is as close as you get to Bats- the mist cunning man in the world.&nbsp; He is strong- no other mere mortal was able to string his bow- but someone like Hercules could.&nbsp; But even he was the grandson of Hermes on one side and the great-grandson of Aeolus* Mere mortals who approached the capabilities of the gods were struck down- see Arachne or Psyche.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5490502, member: 19675"] I know you know what I meant by that. At no point does Bats do anything beyond the capabilities of another trained human in the DC continuum. He does not warp reality, he lives within it. Nothing in his repertoire would be described by DC continuum scientists as being a "power", by DC arcanists a "spell". He is not the strongest, smartest, fastest. He is an idealized human. He has no otherworldliness in his genetics, no blessing of the gods, no magic ritual to set him apart. Just training. He is a mundane. A muggle. No, no they can't. Not without some non-human aspect to them. The way Greeks thought about heroism almost precludes this.*. While there are purely human Greek heroes, the ones anyone can name are all partly non-human. Orpheus was the son of a Muse and either a human or the god Apollo. Achilles was the son of a nymph and protected by a ritual bathing in the River Styx. Perseus was the son of Zeus. Odysseus is as close as you get to Bats- the mist cunning man in the world. He is strong- no other mere mortal was able to string his bow- but someone like Hercules could. But even he was the grandson of Hermes on one side and the great-grandson of Aeolus * Mere mortals who approached the capabilities of the gods were struck down- see Arachne or Psyche. [/QUOTE]

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