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<blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 5491249" data-attributes="member: 386">Regarding the use of metagame mechanics:I always had a problem with -Wises, used in a certain way, in Burning Wheel.&nbsp; My favourite example, one that I thought about using in a game but didn't:DM: The orcs are moving through the forest.Me: Well, everyone knows that the forest is full of orc-hating treants that will destroy them.&nbsp; They stand no chance!&nbsp; Since everyone knows this, the Ob is 1 or 2, right?&nbsp; I can hit that with my Forest-wise 4.&nbsp; Can I FoRK in Orc-Wise?Now this is lame in a Story Now game, but if I don't do that I'm not really advocating for my character - I'm not really fighting for what I believe in.&nbsp; The same thing goes for a Step on Up game.&nbsp; I call it &quot;Playing with one arm tied behind my back.&quot;&nbsp; If I'm fighting for these things - either to prove my ability or show my beliefs - this sort of mechanic ruins things.However, I think it does work for a certain kinds of Right to Dream play.&nbsp; If the whole point is to get a certain feel right, then you've got the perfect opportunity to do so (and be judged by the group on how well you do).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LostSoul, post: 5491249, member: 386"] Regarding the use of metagame mechanics: I always had a problem with -Wises, used in a certain way, in Burning Wheel. My favourite example, one that I thought about using in a game but didn't: DM: The orcs are moving through the forest. Me: Well, everyone knows that the forest is full of orc-hating treants that will destroy them. They stand no chance! Since everyone knows this, the Ob is 1 or 2, right? I can hit that with my Forest-wise 4. Can I FoRK in Orc-Wise? Now this is lame in a Story Now game, but if I don't do that I'm not really advocating for my character - I'm not really fighting for what I believe in. The same thing goes for a Step on Up game. I call it "Playing with one arm tied behind my back." If I'm fighting for these things - either to prove my ability or show my beliefs - this sort of mechanic ruins things. However, I think it does work for a certain kinds of Right to Dream play. If the whole point is to get a certain feel right, then you've got the perfect opportunity to do so (and be judged by the group on how well you do). [/QUOTE]

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