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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 5492407" data-attributes="member: 1129">In Champions, you'll find only a handful of super heroes take the limitation. For example Seeker in 4th ed. Normal human but he doesn't take the penalty.Most of the people who DO take the penalty work around it with power armor. Which irnoically enough the rules tell you to pretty much shut down because a limitation that isn't a limitation isn't a limitation and worth zero points.And in Heroes Unlimited, since the game has zero balance, it proves my point. Unless the GM is catering to all the players, like a good GM should mind you, the normal humans are going to go squish. I've seen enough 'car stoppers', which actually do 1d4 M.D.C. damage in Heroes Unlimited, used in this manner to take care of such normals.The same is also true for Marvel Super Heroes FASERIP edition which tried to balance such characters with martial arts allowing them to sun people they couldn't otherwise effect but the same was true. Daredevil, meet Kurse. Kurse, hit Daredevil twice for Unearthed Damage each time. What's that you say? His Incredible Dexterity didn't keep him from going quish? A fight like the one where Spiderman beats the crap out of Firelord simply wouldn't happen in the game. In terms of balancing warrior vs wizard, Batman is the greatest wizard there is. His equipment, 'preperation' and other bits are his spells. "I must use the Bat Thingamigerick to temporarily stun him and then move him into these areas where I've set up these high-tech devices that don't exist and then strike him in the spots that he has no weakness in any other comic to claim victory."Mind you, I'm not saying I don't like Batman at all. I even dig the new old Robin as Batman with Batman's evil cloned son whose shown to have sold his soul to the devil when he becomes Batman in the future. But in terms of what Batman can do? He's gotta be the least 'normal' human this side of Doc Savage.</blockquote>

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