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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5492708" data-attributes="member: 22779">Going back to Conan for a second, I'll admit that the &quot;son of Atlantis&quot; thing comes up in the De Camp versions, so, it might have been added later.&nbsp; However, this is a character that is beaten senseless, crucified, left to hang for a day or so, the cross is cut down and he slams to the ground without any cushioning, after the nails are pulled from his hands, he pulls the nails from his feet BY HIMSELF, stands up without help, gets on a horse and then rides for several hours.This is considered a normal guy?See, I look at Batman and I see a character that is just head and shoulders above everybody else.&nbsp; Sure, there are other super heroes that might be on par, but, think about that for a second.&nbsp; Batman is on par with SUPER HEROES.&nbsp; Not normal Joes.&nbsp; No normal human is even close to equal to Batman/Bruce Wayne.Sure, Robin/Nightwing might be somewhere in the ballpark, but, since when is he a Normal Joe?Are we saying that unless you've been bitten by a radioactive platypus you are a normal human, no matter what?&nbsp; That just because you are strong, smarter, and in every quatifiable way better than a normal person, you're still just a normal guy because you can't shoot lazer beams from your eyes?Really?I would say that Batman is the paragon of humanity.&nbsp; He's the ultimate idealized character, and, as such, he's no long &quot;normal human&quot;.&nbsp; Same as pretty much any other pulp character.&nbsp; Doc Savage is a pretty good example here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5492708, member: 22779"] Going back to Conan for a second, I'll admit that the "son of Atlantis" thing comes up in the De Camp versions, so, it might have been added later. However, this is a character that is beaten senseless, crucified, left to hang for a day or so, the cross is cut down and he slams to the ground without any cushioning, after the nails are pulled from his hands, he pulls the nails from his feet BY HIMSELF, stands up without help, gets on a horse and then rides for several hours. This is considered a normal guy? See, I look at Batman and I see a character that is just head and shoulders above everybody else. Sure, there are other super heroes that might be on par, but, think about that for a second. Batman is on par with SUPER HEROES. Not normal Joes. No normal human is even close to equal to Batman/Bruce Wayne. Sure, Robin/Nightwing might be somewhere in the ballpark, but, since when is he a Normal Joe? Are we saying that unless you've been bitten by a radioactive platypus you are a normal human, no matter what? That just because you are strong, smarter, and in every quatifiable way better than a normal person, you're still just a normal guy because you can't shoot lazer beams from your eyes? Really? I would say that Batman is the paragon of humanity. He's the ultimate idealized character, and, as such, he's no long "normal human". Same as pretty much any other pulp character. Doc Savage is a pretty good example here. [/QUOTE]

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