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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5493677" data-attributes="member: 19675">That is some amazingly selective reading of my posts.&nbsp; Nothing of the kind was &quot;pretty soundly disproved&quot; since I pointed out 1st level fighters in published sources who were, in fact, still working in mundane professions like farmer or tavern wench...and who had all the special abilities available to them as per their class.Michael Jordan might disagree, as would his MD and his momma.&nbsp; I think I see where your problem is.Not within the context of the fictional universe in which he lives.&nbsp;No, Bats is an experienced fighter.&nbsp; He trained 15 years before becoming an adventurer.&nbsp; During that training, he &quot;leveled up&quot; but it wasn't until he donned the cowl that he got any real &quot;live fire&quot; action.&quot;Average commoner&quot; and &quot;normal human&quot; are not identical terms, nor are they mutually exclusive.&nbsp; I'm a normal human, but I'm far beyond average in many ways.Batman may not be an average commoner, but he, too, is just a normal human.</blockquote>I can't agree with this at all.&nbsp; After all, it doesn't require a superhuman to beat him- a simple gunshot would do it.&nbsp; No sniper has ever really tried, though.&nbsp; Ditto explosives.&nbsp; Thank you, plot protection![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5493677, member: 19675"] That is some [I]amazingly[/I] selective reading of my posts. Nothing of the kind was "pretty soundly disproved" since I pointed out 1st level fighters in published sources who were, in fact, still working in mundane professions like farmer or tavern wench...and who had all the special abilities available to them as per their class. Michael Jordan might disagree, as would his MD and his momma. I think I see where your problem is. Not within the context of the fictional universe in which he lives. No, Bats is an experienced fighter. He trained 15 years before becoming an adventurer. During that training, he "leveled up" but it wasn't until he donned the cowl that he got any real "live fire" action. "Average commoner" and "normal human" are not identical terms, nor are they mutually exclusive. I'm a normal human, but I'm far beyond average in many ways. Batman may not be an average commoner, but he, too, is just a normal human.[/QUOTE] I can't agree with this at all. After all, it doesn't require a superhuman to beat him- a simple gunshot would do it. No sniper has ever really tried, though. Ditto explosives. Thank you, plot protection! [/QUOTE]

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