Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5494334" data-attributes="member: 19675">Contrasted withYet we have evidence of a fighter still being an utterly nameless "dirt farmer done good"  in a published AD&D adventure.The point is that if you can be a Lvl 1 fighter and still be serf, there is no reason why you can't be a fighter who was a serf yesterday and has just started his adventuring career.Did you ever look at the AD&D DMG before asserting "normal" NPC had no stats?  Pgs 100-106 have racial adjustments to stats, as well as minimum ability scores for classes...AND for laborers, mercenaries and merchants- the lack of stats in the adventures is because generating stats for NPCs not crucial to the main plot is left to the DM.As for militias being strictly zero level, I give you these 2 counterexamples:Those are in addition to all the regular F1s in the guard, watches and other regular forces in those cities.IOW, a 1st level Fighter is not all that uncommon or unusual, about on par with someone who has entered the armed forces of a modern day country.  I'd say that this is pretty good evidence that normal humans can and do have class levels.First, that happens every other week on Burn Notice- it's a standard action TV/movie trope (see X-Files and many, many others).  They even do this in standard police dramas- they JUST did it on Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior- though the backup charged with taking down the sniper is usually other cops.Second, if Robin (not the adult Nightwing, but one of the teens that followed him) could take him out solo, he probably wasn't that much of a threat to begin with...all of which would factor into his assessment and decision as to whether to put himself into the "trap" as "bait."What's your point?  Confronted with certain death by explosion, who WOULDN'T jump into the safe?  One thing at a time- survive the explosion, then survive whatever predicament you got into while surviving the explosion.And as for getting out, not only has he been long established as a competent safe-cracker (even in the freakin' TV series), Batman packs not only lockpicks in his utility belt, but other devices to get past locks, like mini-torches and acid capsules.  AND a 5-10 minute air supply as well.There was no way he wasn't getting out.Standard action-hero trope.Nope- by your own description, he did ONE solo.  The other, he had help.  As for the one he did solo, again, that's not that big a surprise.  Its another one that pops up in action stuff repeatedly- the last time I remember seeing it was in CSI: Miami, "Crime Wave" in which Horatio and others go into a bank vault to escape a tsunami.  Classic narrative plot protection.You said he had help from Robin.  Which is it?Again, this is classic narrative protection.  99 times out of 100, the main character does not get killed, especially in his own book/movie/show.Fortune favors the prepared mind.  Also, plot protection favors the main character.How often did MacGyver conveniently find exactly what he needed to escape whatever room he was in?  The answer is, nearly every time.  Those times he didn't, his immediate escape wasn't crucial to the plot because someone was going to let him out.</blockquote>

Verification