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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5496650" data-attributes="member: 65637">No, he's superhuman.&nbsp; None of the nameless characters in the comics surpass him.&nbsp; He is superior to the average human.&nbsp; He is better then they are.&nbsp; He is superhuman.See, he keeps getting compared to other superheros.&nbsp; Some of them are stronger then him, some are better at martial arts.&nbsp; Well ok, but they're other heroes!&nbsp; But the nameless human civilians don't regularly match him, because he's simply better then they are.You continue to argue semantics rather then the point.James Bond does not end his movies with &quot;And then the villains won, THE END.&quot;&nbsp; James Bond isn't defeated by the nameless mooks the supervillain sends out at him.Heroes certainly undergo loss, nobody but the strawman you have&nbsp; constructed is arguing against that.&nbsp; But the movies end with his&nbsp; victory.&nbsp; He isn't wordlessly gunned down followed by the roll of the&nbsp; credits.Once again, people are confusing in-universe power for in-narrative power.&nbsp; Batman is a &quot;normal man&quot; in universe who &quot;just happens&quot; to always have a gadget, or be able to use martial arts, or have several plans in back up.&nbsp; In narrative, he's flat out better then the non-characters who represent humanity.&nbsp; His ability to always have a gadget, or be able to use martial arts, or have a back-up plan, makes him better then human.&nbsp; His ability to be a protagonist means he can be &quot;The Greatest Detective.&quot;James Bond is a &quot;normal man&quot; who just happens to be better at karate chopping then everyone else, or is more suave and charismatic then everyone else, or always has a gadget at the ready,&nbsp; or can jump off a skyscraper and live by &quot;holding onto the banner&quot; as it rips.&nbsp; But nobody else does this.&nbsp; In-universe he is a &quot;normal man.&quot;&nbsp; Narratively he is very starkly not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 5496650, member: 65637"] No, he's superhuman. None of the [I]nameless[/I] characters in the comics surpass him. He is superior to the average human. He is better then they are. He is superhuman. See, he keeps getting compared to [B]other superheros[/B]. Some of them are stronger then him, some are better at martial arts. Well ok, but they're other heroes! But the nameless human civilians don't regularly match him, because he's simply better then they are. You continue to argue semantics rather then the point. James Bond does not end his movies with "And then the villains won, [B]THE END[/B]." James Bond isn't defeated by the nameless mooks the supervillain sends out at him. Heroes certainly undergo loss, nobody but the strawman you have constructed is arguing against that. But the movies end with his victory. He isn't wordlessly gunned down followed by the roll of the credits. Once again, people are confusing in-universe power for in-narrative power. Batman is a "normal man" in universe who "just happens" to always have a gadget, or be able to use martial arts, or have several plans in back up. In narrative, he's flat out [I]better[/I] then the non-characters who represent humanity. His ability to always have a gadget, or be able to use martial arts, or have a back-up plan, makes him better then human. His ability to [B]be a protagonist[/B] means he can be "The Greatest Detective." James Bond is a "normal man" who just happens to be better at karate chopping then everyone else, or is more suave and charismatic then everyone else, or always has a gadget at the ready, or can [I]jump off a skyscraper and live[/I] by "holding onto the banner" as it rips. But [I]nobody else does this[/I]. In-universe he is a "normal man." Narratively he is very starkly not. [/QUOTE]

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