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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5496894" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Again, it is clear that you haven't seen <em><strong>On Her Majesty's Secret Service</strong></em>. That's pretty well exactly how that movie ends.</p><p></p><p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Her_Majesty's_Secret_Service_(film" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Her_Majesty's_Secret_Service_(film</a>)</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Bond and Tracy marry in Portugal, then drive away in Bond's Aston Martin. Bond pulls over to the roadside to remove flowers from the car. Tracy thanks Bond for marrying her and having a future away from the British Secret Service. As this happens, Blofeld (wearing a neck brace) and Bunt in a Mercedes-Benz 600 drive past the couple's car; Bunt sprays the car with bullets from a M16A1 automatic rifle. Bond dives behind the car and survives the drive-by attack, only to discover that Tracy has been killed by a shot to the forehead. A police officer pulls over to inspect the bullet-riddled car, prompting a tear-filled Bond to mutter that there's no need to hurry to call for help by saying, "We have all the time in the world," as he cradles Tracy's lifeless body. On that, the film comes to an end.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, Bond's major mission in <em><strong>Casino Royale </strong></em>is to prevent Le Chiffre from acquiring funds for terrorism, and, if possible, to aquire him for British Intelligence. He fails in both. Over the course of the film, he discovers that he would rather be with Vesper than stay in the Secret Service. He fails. At the end of the film, he manages to capture White, which is a minor victory (and one which is undone at the start of the next movie).</p><p></p><p><em>A little learning is a dangerous thing; </em></p><p><em>drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: </em></p><p><em>there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, </em></p><p><em>and drinking largely sobers us again.</em></p><p></p><p>And I also note that you are shifting the goalposts. Now, a character is superhuman unless he can be defeated by a <em><strong>nameless</strong></em> human? I.e., unless you are regularly beaten by the dregs of the fictional universe you occupy, you are clearly superhuman? Really? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> I've never been beaten by a nameless human.....I must be superhuman!</p><p></p><p>I begin to think that you are pulling my leg with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if by "never losing" you mean that he is always around so that the studio can make a buck with the next film, then, any serial character would be definition be superhuman. I think there were quite a few episodes of <em><strong>Leave it to Beaver</strong></em>, and I can't remember Ward Cleaver, June Cleaver, Wally, or the Beaver ever actually losing, or being taken out by the end of the episode with their pleasant little town in flames. Gee, Wally, I guess the Beaver really is superhuman! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p>And, hey, now that we are differentiating between "suffering important losses" and "losing", I guess I've never actually lost, either. After all, I'm still here, and Toronto isn't in flames. I <strong><em>must</em></strong> be superhuman!</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5496894, member: 18280"] Again, it is clear that you haven't seen [I][B]On Her Majesty's Secret Service[/B][/I]. That's pretty well exactly how that movie ends. From [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Her_Majesty's_Secret_Service_(film[/url]) [indent]Bond and Tracy marry in Portugal, then drive away in Bond's Aston Martin. Bond pulls over to the roadside to remove flowers from the car. Tracy thanks Bond for marrying her and having a future away from the British Secret Service. As this happens, Blofeld (wearing a neck brace) and Bunt in a Mercedes-Benz 600 drive past the couple's car; Bunt sprays the car with bullets from a M16A1 automatic rifle. Bond dives behind the car and survives the drive-by attack, only to discover that Tracy has been killed by a shot to the forehead. A police officer pulls over to inspect the bullet-riddled car, prompting a tear-filled Bond to mutter that there's no need to hurry to call for help by saying, "We have all the time in the world," as he cradles Tracy's lifeless body. On that, the film comes to an end.[/indent] Similarly, Bond's major mission in [I][B]Casino Royale [/B][/I]is to prevent Le Chiffre from acquiring funds for terrorism, and, if possible, to aquire him for British Intelligence. He fails in both. Over the course of the film, he discovers that he would rather be with Vesper than stay in the Secret Service. He fails. At the end of the film, he manages to capture White, which is a minor victory (and one which is undone at the start of the next movie). [I]A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.[/I] And I also note that you are shifting the goalposts. Now, a character is superhuman unless he can be defeated by a [I][B]nameless[/B][/I] human? I.e., unless you are regularly beaten by the dregs of the fictional universe you occupy, you are clearly superhuman? Really? :lol: I've never been beaten by a nameless human.....I must be superhuman! I begin to think that you are pulling my leg with this. Well, if by "never losing" you mean that he is always around so that the studio can make a buck with the next film, then, any serial character would be definition be superhuman. I think there were quite a few episodes of [I][B]Leave it to Beaver[/B][/I], and I can't remember Ward Cleaver, June Cleaver, Wally, or the Beaver ever actually losing, or being taken out by the end of the episode with their pleasant little town in flames. Gee, Wally, I guess the Beaver really is superhuman! :lol: And, hey, now that we are differentiating between "suffering important losses" and "losing", I guess I've never actually lost, either. After all, I'm still here, and Toronto isn't in flames. I [B][I]must[/I][/B] be superhuman! RC [/QUOTE]
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