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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5497745" data-attributes="member: 22779">What confuses me here is why does superhuman mean that someone is no longer human?Super means exceptional, great, wonderful, outright better.&nbsp; Superhuman means what it says on the box - better than human.&nbsp; Normal humans make superhuman efforts all the time, yet no one tries to claim they're no longer human.Are people claiming that Spider-man isn't even human anymore?&nbsp; He's pretty obviously superhuman, I think we'd all agree there, but, not human at all?&nbsp; Really?RC - go back to the beginning of this tangent and you'll see that the goalposts have long been on pretty shaky ground.&nbsp; The original point way back was that a 1st level fighter could be the same as some farmer just off the turnip truck.&nbsp; That was the claim being disputed.&nbsp; I pointed out that our 1st level fighter, in any system, has abilities that no normal human can have - he can survive damage that will outright kill a D&amp;D DEFINED normal human, he can have exceptional strength, which no normal human can have, he can gain xp (depending on system, some normal humans cannot gain xp).&nbsp; He actually has stats, which normal humans don't, (barring exceptional examples, which, by definition, are exceptional)(again, this is system dependent).In all measurable ways, our 1st level fighter is outright betting in the D&amp;D universe than a normal human (which is defined by the different systems as either being a 0 level human, or a 1st level commoner).If you are better in all quantifiable ways than a defined normal human, how are you not superhuman?There's goalpost shifting going on in this thread, but, I'm not really sure I'm the one that tied on the rollerskates.&nbsp; For example, while Bond might arguable lose in one movie (and a remake movie), there are about thirty other movies where he doesn't.&nbsp; So, while it's pedantically incorrect to say that Bond never loses, it's pretty damn close to the truth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5497745, member: 22779"] What confuses me here is why does superhuman mean that someone is no longer human? Super means exceptional, great, wonderful, outright better. Superhuman means what it says on the box - better than human. Normal humans make superhuman efforts all the time, yet no one tries to claim they're no longer human. Are people claiming that Spider-man isn't even human anymore? He's pretty obviously superhuman, I think we'd all agree there, but, not human at all? Really? RC - go back to the beginning of this tangent and you'll see that the goalposts have long been on pretty shaky ground. The original point way back was that a 1st level fighter could be the same as some farmer just off the turnip truck. That was the claim being disputed. I pointed out that our 1st level fighter, in any system, has abilities that no normal human can have - he can survive damage that will outright kill a D&D DEFINED normal human, he can have exceptional strength, which no normal human can have, he can gain xp (depending on system, some normal humans cannot gain xp). He actually has stats, which normal humans don't, (barring exceptional examples, which, by definition, are exceptional)(again, this is system dependent). In all measurable ways, our 1st level fighter is outright betting in the D&D universe than a normal human (which is defined by the different systems as either being a 0 level human, or a 1st level commoner). If you are better in all quantifiable ways than a defined normal human, how are you not superhuman? There's goalpost shifting going on in this thread, but, I'm not really sure I'm the one that tied on the rollerskates. For example, while Bond might arguable lose in one movie (and a remake movie), there are about thirty other movies where he doesn't. So, while it's pedantically incorrect to say that Bond never loses, it's pretty damn close to the truth. [/QUOTE]

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