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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5499523" data-attributes="member: 22779">And being tapped by a GOD is so different?&nbsp; Remember, we're positing that Jeanne is a paladin, not a fighter - she now has supernatural powers - curing disease, healing, detecting evil, etc.Let's swim back upthread a second:1.&nbsp; Why is Bob an elite?&nbsp; That's not a normal human right there according to the rules.2.&nbsp; Where exactly did Bob learn to use nearly every weapon out there with equal facility?3.&nbsp; Where exactly did Bob learn to wear all kinds of armor?4.&nbsp; What part of Bob's life picking turnips did he pick up the ability to specialize in weapons, something NO ONE ELSE CAN EVER DO?&nbsp; So, again, how is Bob a normal human?&nbsp; He's quantitatively better than a normal human by virtue of having an elite array, he has combat skills that no common man can ever learn no matter how much they train and I notice you leave out the fact that he has FIVE AND A HALF TIMES more hit points than an average joe.To me RC?&nbsp; This is why the conversation can't go forward.&nbsp; The definition of &quot;Average Joe&quot; has gone from zero level commoner to a freaking ELITE Level 1 Fighter that even the DMG says is an average encounter for a SECOND LEVEL PARTY.&nbsp; This guy is a hard encounter for a 1st level party.&nbsp; Mr Average Joe?&nbsp; He's a 1/2 CR.&nbsp; He's an easy fight for an average party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5499523, member: 22779"] And being tapped by a GOD is so different? Remember, we're positing that Jeanne is a paladin, not a fighter - she now has supernatural powers - curing disease, healing, detecting evil, etc. Let's swim back upthread a second: 1. Why is Bob an elite? That's not a normal human right there according to the rules. 2. Where exactly did Bob learn to use nearly every weapon out there with equal facility? 3. Where exactly did Bob learn to wear all kinds of armor? 4. What part of Bob's life picking turnips did he pick up the ability to specialize in weapons, something NO ONE ELSE CAN EVER DO? So, again, how is Bob a normal human? He's quantitatively better than a normal human by virtue of having an elite array, he has combat skills that no common man can ever learn no matter how much they train and I notice you leave out the fact that he has FIVE AND A HALF TIMES more hit points than an average joe. To me RC? This is why the conversation can't go forward. The definition of "Average Joe" has gone from zero level commoner to a freaking ELITE Level 1 Fighter that even the DMG says is an average encounter for a SECOND LEVEL PARTY. This guy is a hard encounter for a 1st level party. Mr Average Joe? He's a 1/2 CR. He's an easy fight for an average party. [/QUOTE]

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