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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5500647" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Please reread what I wrote: 2 guys, both extremely big and fit. Both are farmers by birth, but one leaves to become a warrior while the other <em>remains nothing more than a farmer</em>...IOW, one has a level of fighter and one does not. They are fairly evenly matched when one leaves town, but not after the warrior has some more training.</p><p></p><p>As for those stats, I just plucked them out of the air. But have you ever worked on a farm or known someone who did? Pitching 50lb bales of hay around will make you pretty damn big- it's why Nebraska farmboys- as well as their counterparts in other states- do so well as linemen in college & the NFL.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 3.5 DMG's breakdown for a hamlet of 200 people (p139): <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 1st level Aristocrat (mayor)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Warrior (constable)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nine 1st level Warriors (two guards, seven militia members)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Expert smith (militia member)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Seven 1st level Expert crafters and professionals of various sorts</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> One 1st level Adept</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Commoner barkeep (militia member)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One hundred sixty-six 1st level Commoners (one is militia member)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Fighter</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two 1st level Fighters</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 1st level Wizard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Cleric</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two 1st level Clerics</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 1st level Druid</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 3rd level Rogue</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two 1st level rogues</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 1st level Bard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 1st level Monk.</li> </ul><p>Clearly, some of those NPC townies have some interesting stats. And the DMG makes no assumption as to whether they have those PC class levels by dint of being former adventurers or merely talented & gifted persons who found being a big fish in a small pond was more than enough for them.</p><p></p><p>In addition, nowhere in the section about NPC stats does it say that average NPCs have 10s across the board. What it <em>actually</em> says is this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Emphasis mine.)</p><p>That section is the preamble to a series of charts designed to generate unusual NPCs, but simultaneously anticipates the question about the "Average Joe."</p><p></p><p>IOW, they may have unusually high stats, equal to those of a PC, its just not likely. But straight 10s? That's a handy bookkeeping rule, but it isn't what is in the DMG. They may even have "PC" base classes without being adventurers.</p><p></p><p>Then there's this, from the section about NPC classes:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which confirms what I said earlier about NPCs in tough, strife-plagued regions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 3.5 DMG would appear to disagree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5500647, member: 19675"] Please reread what I wrote: 2 guys, both extremely big and fit. Both are farmers by birth, but one leaves to become a warrior while the other [I]remains nothing more than a farmer[/I]...IOW, one has a level of fighter and one does not. They are fairly evenly matched when one leaves town, but not after the warrior has some more training. As for those stats, I just plucked them out of the air. But have you ever worked on a farm or known someone who did? Pitching 50lb bales of hay around will make you pretty damn big- it's why Nebraska farmboys- as well as their counterparts in other states- do so well as linemen in college & the NFL. The 3.5 DMG's breakdown for a hamlet of 200 people (p139):[LIST] [*]One 1st level Aristocrat (mayor) [*]One 3rd level Warrior (constable) [*]Nine 1st level Warriors (two guards, seven militia members) [*]One 3rd level Expert smith (militia member) [*]Seven 1st level Expert crafters and professionals of various sorts [*] One 1st level Adept [*]One 3rd level Commoner barkeep (militia member) [*]One hundred sixty-six 1st level Commoners (one is militia member) [*]One 3rd level Fighter [*]Two 1st level Fighters [*]One 1st level Wizard [*]One 3rd level Cleric [*]Two 1st level Clerics [*]One 1st level Druid [*]One 3rd level Rogue [*]Two 1st level rogues [*]One 1st level Bard [*]One 1st level Monk. [/LIST] Clearly, some of those NPC townies have some interesting stats. And the DMG makes no assumption as to whether they have those PC class levels by dint of being former adventurers or merely talented & gifted persons who found being a big fish in a small pond was more than enough for them. In addition, nowhere in the section about NPC stats does it say that average NPCs have 10s across the board. What it [I]actually[/I] says is this: (Emphasis mine.) That section is the preamble to a series of charts designed to generate unusual NPCs, but simultaneously anticipates the question about the "Average Joe." IOW, they may have unusually high stats, equal to those of a PC, its just not likely. But straight 10s? That's a handy bookkeeping rule, but it isn't what is in the DMG. They may even have "PC" base classes without being adventurers. Then there's this, from the section about NPC classes: Which confirms what I said earlier about NPCs in tough, strife-plagued regions. The 3.5 DMG would appear to disagree. [/QUOTE]
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