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<blockquote data-quote="Ultimatecalibur" data-source="post: 5500784" data-attributes="member: 59539">No one said that Fighters are the only ones who can have 17 strength. He just said that 17 is more than &quot;Pretty Big&quot;, its near world record competitor. Danny I'm going to call you on that 14. I think you are closer to a 12 at most. You may be 250lbs but that does not mean you can get to much more out of your muscles than the average person of your weight. Most ability of a persons to lift comes from training, practice and weight rather than natural ability. While I was in the U.S. Army (was in Armor so there was a lot of heavy stuff), I'm 5'2&quot;, started at a weight of 140lbs and had practically no strength based training and could barely bench the same, by the height of my time in the army a year and a half in to my contract I was 160lbs and max benching ~200 and I wasn't really focusing my training on that (I was more of a runner and was getting 2 miles in less than 6:30). I would only give myself a 10 strength. Another solider I knew started at roughly the same point as I did but focused on weight training and was able to hit ~240 at 170 lbs.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Mendelson" target="_blank">Scot Mendelson</a> is probably the best example of someone with an 18 strength. He is a pro-powerlifter who can bench 715lbs unequipped or 1030lbs with a bench shirt and he is only 275lbs. Using that and I remember someone did the math and proved that Olympic Long jump Medalists were ~5th level experts in 3.5. A +14 bonus in &quot;bench pressing&quot; allows someone to bench ~2.6 times their own weight or ~3.7 with a top of the line item (+6? bonus to the check).**If you want to argue against these numbers using the lifting numbers from the d20srd, remember that you said the population demographics were bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ultimatecalibur, post: 5500784, member: 59539"] No one said that Fighters are the only ones who can have 17 strength. He just said that 17 is more than "Pretty Big", its near world record competitor. Danny I'm going to call you on that 14. I think you are closer to a 12 [i]at most[/i]. You may be 250lbs but that does not mean you can get to much more out of your muscles than the average person of your weight. Most ability of a persons to lift comes from training, practice and weight rather than natural ability. While I was in the U.S. Army (was in Armor so there was a lot of heavy stuff), I'm 5'2", started at a weight of 140lbs and had practically no strength based training and could barely bench the same, by the height of my time in the army a year and a half in to my contract I was 160lbs and max benching ~200 and I wasn't really focusing my training on that (I was more of a runner and was getting 2 miles in less than 6:30). I would only give myself a 10 strength. Another solider I knew started at roughly the same point as I did but focused on weight training and was able to hit ~240 at 170 lbs. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Mendelson]Scot Mendelson[/url] is probably the best example of someone with an 18 strength. He is a pro-powerlifter who can bench 715lbs unequipped or 1030lbs with a bench shirt and he is only 275lbs. Using that and I remember someone did the math and proved that Olympic Long jump Medalists were ~5th level experts in 3.5. A +14 bonus in "bench pressing" allows someone to bench ~2.6 times their own weight or ~3.7 with a top of the line item (+6? bonus to the check).* *If you want to argue against these numbers using the lifting numbers from the d20srd, remember that [i]you[/i] said the population demographics were bad. [/QUOTE]

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