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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5500787" data-attributes="member: 18280">Cool.  At last, we are getting somewhere.Um...No.Having a PC class doesn't require, in any edition 1st to 3rd, that you have an Elite array.  If you think I am wrong, please specify where in any of those editions it says that.  AFAICT, all of those editions allow for the creation of PCs by rolling the dice, and taking what you get.  So, if that's what you've got...........Can we call it a day yet?Again, I'm just spitballing here, but the thing that was being argued about was whether or not any F1 could have been a turnip farmer the day before his adventuring career began.  Remember that?  Just off the turnip truck?  Heck, someone even questioned whether or not our F1 could be a normal human of any sort.So, again, I am playing in a 1e AD&D game, not using the UA.  My DM says roll 3d6, in order, no re-rolls.  I roll all average stats, 6 hp, and a secondary skill of farmer/gardener.  In 1e, an average 0-lvl commoner has average stats, can use weapons, and can wear armour.  A 0-lvl commoner with a physical background has 1-8 hit points, and therefore can match me.  We've dismissed any ground-breaking statistical difference.  My guy now has about a 5% better chance to hit targets, and nothing else better than Joe Farmer down the road could have.But, hold on!  Let's give me a poor Strength, to eliminate that 5%.  And lets say I rolled 1 hit point.  Certainly things that could happen making a 1e AD&D character.Now Joe Farmer is statistically superior to me.  Moreover, since I have proficiency with only four weapons, and Joe Farmer is assumed to be proficient with any weapon in his statblock, he is a better fighter than me to boot.Am I still superhuman?  Am I still too good to be a turnip farmer?  Really?RC</blockquote>

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