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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5500805" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Really? Those posts about how any PC is automatically superhuman simply by virtue of being a PC, made on your account, using your user name, and written with your writing style were posted by someone else?</p><p></p><p>You should let the moderators know!</p><p></p><p>To paraphrase Imaro in another thread (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/5500804-post613.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/5500804-post613.html</a>): Wow, IMO this is a totally disingenuous comment. You were shown with examples and logic that you were in fact wrong in certain assumptions... but instead of admitting you were wrong and moving forward... you're playing the victim role... really?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, at least we are getting somewhere.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes; in 1e a normal human can wear armour. Crack your 1e MM, which you referred to upthread, and you will see examples. Likewise, a normal human doesn't gain any weapon proficiencies; they are assumed proficient with whatever weapons the DM chooses to give them. Again, crack that 1e MM again, and you will see that, yes, normal humans (wonder of wonders) are capable of carrying weapons.</p><p></p><p>(You could also crack any 1e module that includes an urban component, such as N1 or T1, and you will see the same.)</p><p></p><p>You may not be aware of it, but it has been common throughout history for normal people to be given weapons training. Indeed, this training was often <em><strong>mandatory</strong></em>. That way, when you had to levy the locals to defend the land, you had someone capable of working in a militia. The US Constitution's right to bear arms and form a militia is a direct decedent of this practice, as is every posse in every Western movie you've ever seen.</p><p></p><p>Socrates may be known for his wit and wisdom, but he also served his mandatory stretch in the army, and was considered a good soldier. There are still countries today where some form of military service is mandatory. Robert Heinlein once made an argument (Starship Troopers) that military service should be mandatory to gain the rights of citizenship.</p><p></p><p>That a D&D turnip farmer (even one better known as the Socrates of the Fields) might have weapons training is nothing to be surprised at. Conversely, if you have not had any weapon training, you are an anomaly relative to the overall trend of human history.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5500805, member: 18280"] Really? Those posts about how any PC is automatically superhuman simply by virtue of being a PC, made on your account, using your user name, and written with your writing style were posted by someone else? You should let the moderators know! To paraphrase Imaro in another thread ([url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/5500804-post613.html[/url]): Wow, IMO this is a totally disingenuous comment. You were shown with examples and logic that you were in fact wrong in certain assumptions... but instead of admitting you were wrong and moving forward... you're playing the victim role... really? Again, at least we are getting somewhere. Yes; in 1e a normal human can wear armour. Crack your 1e MM, which you referred to upthread, and you will see examples. Likewise, a normal human doesn't gain any weapon proficiencies; they are assumed proficient with whatever weapons the DM chooses to give them. Again, crack that 1e MM again, and you will see that, yes, normal humans (wonder of wonders) are capable of carrying weapons. (You could also crack any 1e module that includes an urban component, such as N1 or T1, and you will see the same.) You may not be aware of it, but it has been common throughout history for normal people to be given weapons training. Indeed, this training was often [I][B]mandatory[/B][/I]. That way, when you had to levy the locals to defend the land, you had someone capable of working in a militia. The US Constitution's right to bear arms and form a militia is a direct decedent of this practice, as is every posse in every Western movie you've ever seen. Socrates may be known for his wit and wisdom, but he also served his mandatory stretch in the army, and was considered a good soldier. There are still countries today where some form of military service is mandatory. Robert Heinlein once made an argument (Starship Troopers) that military service should be mandatory to gain the rights of citizenship. That a D&D turnip farmer (even one better known as the Socrates of the Fields) might have weapons training is nothing to be surprised at. Conversely, if you have not had any weapon training, you are an anomaly relative to the overall trend of human history. RC [/QUOTE]
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