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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5500825" data-attributes="member: 19675">Actually, KM did, remember?As for being measurably better, yes- by about 5%.No, he said &quot;Pretty Big&quot; started at Strength 11.See?&nbsp; I called shannanegans because I know I'm stronger than that, and I can't touch what people call &quot;really strong.&quot;&nbsp; I can't match any pro male athletes for whom strength is a requirement...and most at the collegiate levels in those sports would still laugh at me.At my peak, I did multiple benches of 300lbs.&nbsp; The last time I did leg presses (on a machine), I did 3 sets of 10 reps at 700lbs...because that's all that was in the machine's stack.I set my peaks at age 22 and 193 lbs.&nbsp; I'm a 43 year old fat mofo lawyer now and still hit 90% of that.&nbsp; (Not as many reps, though, due to injuries like an ACL/MCL tear, etc.)So he fought in the the annual Gnoll incursions his land, and once got called up to defend against a land-grab by a neighboring Barony...that doesn't mean he didn't return immediately to farming once the conflicts were over.Just because one has a level of Fighter, doesn't mean your life's destiny drives you from the farm forever.&nbsp; It may not even drive you from your farm for more than a few weeks.&nbsp; You may be trained to fight because your life depends upon it, but you may choose not to elect to be a fighter as your livelihood.Nope, that is NOT what the section of the 3.5 DMG I quoted said.&nbsp; It said that the NPCs on those charts had elite arrays, but that you could do them with average stats if you wanted.(Emphasis mine.)There it is in B&amp;W in the 3.5 DMG: &quot;Likewise, some fighters, wizards, and so on are average people rather than elites; they have fewer hit points and lower ability scores than the NPCs described here.&quot;Not Fantasy Heroes.&nbsp; Not Elites.&nbsp; &quot;Average people.&quot;&nbsp; (And they even dared say it of wizards!)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5500825, member: 19675"] Actually, KM did, remember? As for being measurably better, yes- by about 5%. No, he said "Pretty Big" started at Strength 11. See? I called shannanegans because I know I'm stronger than that, and I can't touch what people call "really strong." I can't match [I]any[/I] pro male athletes for whom strength is a requirement...and most at the collegiate levels in those sports would still laugh at me. At my peak, I did multiple benches of 300lbs. The last time I did leg presses (on a machine), I did 3 sets of 10 reps at 700lbs...because that's all that was in the machine's stack. I set my peaks at age 22 and 193 lbs. I'm a 43 year old fat mofo lawyer now and still hit 90% of that. (Not as many reps, though, due to injuries like an ACL/MCL tear, etc.) So he fought in the the annual Gnoll incursions his land, and once got called up to defend against a land-grab by a neighboring Barony...that doesn't mean he didn't return immediately to farming once the conflicts were over. Just because one has a level of Fighter, doesn't mean your life's destiny drives you from the farm forever. It may not even drive you from your farm for more than a few weeks. You may be trained to fight because your life depends upon it, but you may choose not to elect to be a fighter as your livelihood. Nope, that is NOT what the section of the 3.5 DMG I quoted said. It said that the NPCs on those charts had elite arrays, but that you could do them with average stats if you wanted. (Emphasis mine.) There it is in B&W in the 3.5 DMG: "Likewise, some fighters, wizards, and so on are average people rather than elites; they have fewer hit points and lower ability scores than the NPCs described here." Not Fantasy Heroes. Not Elites. "Average people." (And they even dared say it of [I]wizards![/I]) [/QUOTE]

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