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<blockquote data-quote="Aus_Snow" data-source="post: 5500888" data-attributes="member: 29112">Pretty sure the &quot;normal array&quot; is only for NPCs/monsters, and only for some of those, at that. From memory, it's 13,12,11,10,9,8 but you might want to check that. Elite array - again, for some monsters/NPCs, but also one of at least half a dozen alternative chargen options in the 3.5 DMG: 15,13,12,11,10,8 (IIRC).I don't think normal array or standard issue &quot;three 10s and three 11s&quot; are options at all, for PCs. In fact - once more, IIRC - I believe that, even when using the 3d6 in order option, there's a minimum ability modifier total of -2... or you need at least one 12+. Maybe both. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" />Not sure if that helps or hinders any points in particular, but then, for the life of me, I can't tell what's at stake, or even precisely what's being argued (right now), truth to tell. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aus_Snow, post: 5500888, member: 29112"] Pretty sure the "normal array" is only for NPCs/monsters, and only for some of those, at that. From memory, it's 13,12,11,10,9,8 but you might want to check that. Elite array - again, for some monsters/NPCs, but also one of at least half a dozen alternative chargen options in the 3.5 DMG: 15,13,12,11,10,8 (IIRC). I don't think normal array or standard issue "three 10s and three 11s" are options at all, for PCs. In fact - once more, IIRC - I believe that, even when using the 3d6 in order option, there's a minimum ability modifier total of -2... or you need at least one 12+. Maybe both. :hmm: Not sure if that helps or hinders any points in particular, but then, for the life of me, I can't tell what's at stake, or even [I]precisely[/I] what's being argued (right now), truth to tell. :lol: [/QUOTE]

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