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<blockquote data-quote="fanboy2000" data-source="post: 5500889" data-attributes="member: 19998">If you've never claimed that you can't have turnip farmer as a background, then how is it you got into this tangent? No one's claimed that D&amp;D is about turnip farming. Frankly, it seems like you guys are arguing over the definition of normal rather than who is normal.While I'm at it...Hey KM, something occurred to me in while reading your last post. Fantasy hero's are often captured and put into death traps that they only escape because the villain doesn't kill them in an efficient manner. In fact, such villains are often named after one of the heroes often cited in this discussion: Bond villains. Batman is also famous for getting captured and being stuck in death traps. Of course, most of Batman's villains are insane. Conan, who started all this, has fallen prey to this a couple of times. In the crucifixion scene mentioned by Hussar a while back, Conan was being crucified because he had been captured by the villains and put out die a rather horrible death. Seriously, if you can nail a guy to cross, you can run a sword through him. In early Hour of the Dragon, Conan is captured and survives only because the villain thinks Conan might be useful later (or as blackmail). It doesn't work. Lastly, there's a story where Conan admits that if the bad guy hadn't taken the time to gloat, he'd be dead. If town guards, army regulars, and the militia never poses a threat, even at early levels, then how does this tope of fantasy literature work? The whole point is that the mooks take out the hero and the big bad finishes them off with the death trap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fanboy2000, post: 5500889, member: 19998"] If you've never claimed that you can't have turnip farmer as a background, then how is it you got into this tangent? No one's claimed that D&D is about turnip farming. Frankly, it seems like you guys are arguing over the definition of normal rather than who is normal. While I'm at it... Hey KM, something occurred to me in while reading your last post. Fantasy hero's are often captured and put into death traps that they only escape because the villain doesn't kill them in an efficient manner. In fact, such villains are often named after one of the heroes often cited in this discussion: Bond villains. Batman is also famous for getting captured and being stuck in death traps. Of course, most of Batman's villains are insane. Conan, who started all this, has fallen prey to this a couple of times. In the crucifixion scene mentioned by Hussar a while back, Conan was being crucified because he had been captured by the villains and put out die a rather horrible death. Seriously, if you can nail a guy to cross, you can run a sword through him. In early [I]Hour of the Dragon[/I], Conan is captured and survives only because the villain thinks Conan might be useful later (or as blackmail). It doesn't work. Lastly, there's a story where Conan admits that if the bad guy hadn't taken the time to gloat, he'd be dead. If town guards, army regulars, and the militia [I]never[/I] poses a threat, even at early levels, then how does this tope of fantasy literature work? The whole point is that the mooks take out the hero and the big bad finishes them off with the death trap. [/QUOTE]

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