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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ultimatecalibur" data-source="post: 5502850" data-attributes="member: 59539">Jester, Cirno, you are both right on somethings and wrong on others.Jester, you are right that you should be able to have high-level Fighters be purely mundane warriors, and Cirno you are right that that you should be able to make high-level Fighters superheroic demigods. Where you are wrong is that D&D and other RPGs potentially have room for both. The problem is that most are not designed to handle both. 4th edition can handle both but not at the same level.If you think about it characters (PCs, NPCs and even monsters) can fit into roughly 5 power tiers. They are the following:Common - This is the tier of ordinary people. The place where the common human farmhand, half-orc dockworker, orc warrior, elven merchant, and common wolf exists. If a character of this tier has any magic it is on the level of the 0-level cantrips of 1 and 2 editions.Heroic - This is the tier where people and creatures star standing out. People on the Common tier look up to those on this tier with fear or respect. Knight-errants, orc chiefs, tribal champions and the tigers all live of this tier. Magic of this tier is similar to that of 1, 2 and 3 level spells.Paragon - Who is a hero to a hero? A Paragon. This is the place where beings such as Lancelot, Warchief Thrall, Achilles and Beowulf face giants, dragons, angels and demons on equal terms. Magic tends to be in the realm of 4-6 level D&D spells.Epic - This is the land of Gods, Demigods and the divine. Thor, Heracles and Gilgamesh ride out to do glorious deeds such fishing up the world serpent, beating up demon lords and cutting valleys in to mountain ranges. Magic of this tier is on the level of the 7-9 level spells such as wish.Overgod - Beyond all else. Practically unplayable.Prior to 4th edition, Fighters hung out in the Heroic tier for all 20 levels while Wizards progressed from Common to Epic tier based on the number and level of spells they had.4e attempted to use the Heroic, Paragon and Epic tiers, but due to tying level to tier progression they only used 1/3rd of the available design space.</blockquote>

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