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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 5502916" data-attributes="member: 5834">How are fighters playing low magic? Are you telling me the fighters in your 3.x campaigns were so weak and underequipped, they were merely the wizards chump Igor type?I have had more trouble in my campaigns challenging melee and physical damage types than any other type of character.If I want to challenge a wizard, I give a creature high saves. Challenging a figther-type and I have to give the creature a mountain of hit points they do so much damage. And you call that sword and sandals bronze age?This is why I can't take your opinion seriously. It is so far out of touch with the games I played in, I don't even know where to begin.A high lvl fighter, say 15 or so. With a weapon and armor appropriate to his level and a well-designed feat scheme could mow down an army of giants, was untouchable against an or army, and could crush a gang of demons in a few rounds. And this isn't supernatural or strong enough for you? What game were you playing?A well-designed fighter archer was a vicious damage dealer that could take down a wizard in one round if that wizard lost initiative, which was quite possible given the archer was dex-based.A well-designed fighter could do an average of 30 to 40 damage or more a hit and get their crit rating to insane levels pre-3.5 They would ruin fights with a lucky series of crits that would annihilate your average dragon.Yet these guys are your standard, low power chumps being outdone by the wizard?You couldn't prove that to my players. The fighter-types knew how to make their characters dangerous. If they were common, sword and sandal fighters, I don't know what supernatural fighters you were talking about. They were more like Hercules or Conan than Joe Blow gladiator from the Bronze Age.Elric obliterated armies with a few words, easily. No, he wasn't throwing magic missiles all the time. And some of his abilities were ritual magic. Some of it was simple "I obliterate all the lowly mortals with a few words because I'm that damn bad to the bone".</blockquote>

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