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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5503522" data-attributes="member: 15538">Look, you've already been shown ample quotes that demonstrate how common non-heroic, PC-class NPCs are. The Normal Man entry does not &quot;define normal humans&quot; any more than the Elf entry &quot;defines normal elves.&quot; The Normal Man entry refers specifically to a non-adventuring person. You are equivocating on two meanings of &quot;normal.&quot; Suppose I said, &quot;Guilliam is a Normal Man, and he has stolen a piece of bread,&quot; would you counter with, &quot;Guilliam is not a Normal Man, a Thief is already defined by the system?&quot;I don't know if you are simply unwilling to give ground in what I would think could be a reasonable discussion, or if you are genuinely confused why other people do not think you are making sense. I am certainly done countering your assertion that all non-adventurers have 1-6 hp and poor saving throws. The rules say you are wrong, and if you cannot admit that, then you are not having the same discussion everyone else is. &quot;You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 5503522, member: 15538"] Look, you've already been shown ample quotes that demonstrate how common non-heroic, PC-class NPCs are. The Normal Man entry does not "define normal humans" any more than the Elf entry "defines normal elves." The Normal Man entry refers specifically to a non-adventuring person. You are equivocating on two meanings of "normal." Suppose I said, "Guilliam is a Normal Man, and he has stolen a piece of bread," would you counter with, "Guilliam is not a Normal Man, a Thief is already defined by the system?" I don't know if you are simply unwilling to give ground in what I would think could be a reasonable discussion, or if you are genuinely confused why other people do not think you are making sense. I am certainly done countering your assertion that all non-adventurers have 1-6 hp and poor saving throws. The rules say you are wrong, and if you cannot admit that, then you are not having the same discussion everyone else is. "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." [/QUOTE]

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