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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 5504317" data-attributes="member: 5834">Never designed a lvl 20 commoner. I doubt I would ever create one save if I wanted to create some strange comedic encounter where my PCs were beat up by Farmer Joe the Turnip Farmer for my own amusement.I'm of the same mind as you that the rules are there for DMs to model ideas meant to challenge PCs of a certain power. A lot of encounter creation including NPCs is intuitive and experimental, and not meant at all to be based in real world thinking other than at a very basic level in that fighters swing swords.I never even considered this odd discussion you all are having. PCs are extraordinary because I the DM am making them extraordinary by putting them in circumstances that allow them to become extraordinary. All this hypothetical talk is a little odd to me. It makes you want to ask questions like:"What if a commoner who was secretly the son of a fallen king with all 18s was never put into a situation where he might choose a class level or advance past lvl 1 commoner? Is he less or more extraordinary than a PC who was a turnip farmer that has straight 12s, yet has fighter levels and has had the good fortune to have fate place him on the path to greatness? What an awful waste of extraordinary stats if that lvl 1 commoner, fortunate enough to have straight 18s and be a secret prince, is never able to develop due to circumstances."Such a commoner would fall far outside the statistical average for raw ability. He would be quite extraordinary compared to even a leveled PC. But because circumstances (aka no DM to make him the star) didn't permit, he is an extraordinary, gifted human being outdone by Joe the Turnip Farmer.It seems like an awful travesty that this could possibly happen. I never realized how many NPC commoners were just like PC fighters, but simply hadn't been given the opportunity to shine.</blockquote>

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