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How is the Wizard vs Warrior Balance Problem Handled in Fantasy Literature?
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5508242" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Did you even read "XP is a river." Crafters fall 1 level behind. At which point they gain more XP which they turn into items. So they just sit that 1 level behind. And more powerful.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And what was the wizard doing to let the fighter get that close?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at the PHB. Look at the feats you can grab without Expertise. Stupid trap.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure there is. AC. Mirror Image. Being out of range.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Depends on your edition. In Gygaxian D&D, combat is what happens when you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> up.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Nothing the wizard doesn't have. He has money. Less than the wizard because the wizard is a crafter. The wizard has a spellbook, and money. And more useful skills.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Why is he in the dungeon?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course they do. It's the arms race.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Seriously? What does a dragon care about being blinded? Um... a lot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Liches have poor grapple skills and again, blinding screws over the lich. Oh, and spells are hard to cast when grappled.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're facing a horde of high level demons? Depends what sort of demon. And how many. Black Tentacles doesn't do well against big guys. But Glitterdust - 10ft radius, blind, no SR. That works.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't go above e6 in 3.X due to actually understanding how to use the system and giving the DM nightmares.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Mr. Wizard better pray he never lets Mr. Fighter get near him because even if Mr Fighter likes him, Mr Fighter's will defence is crap.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Fighters have low will defence. Means you don't need much in the way of tactics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Druids don't need many. And Czilla works best with Persistent Spell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They've fixed solos. And bumped up monster damage. With good reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As easily as the fighter makes his will save against mind control. But mysteriously you don't do that to fighters. And the fighter is nearer the bad guys so is easier to hit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your men, they are made of straw. Bypassing fights and bringing down dungeons is far more effective at high level than actually fighting your way through.</p><p></p><p>As for what your comments about what you claim to do say, they differ from your specifics. You apparently challenge the players - but mysteriously kill off parties with new mages. Dungeons may not be bypassed. Wizards don't cast smartly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5508242, member: 87792"] Did you even read "XP is a river." Crafters fall 1 level behind. At which point they gain more XP which they turn into items. So they just sit that 1 level behind. And more powerful. And what was the wizard doing to let the fighter get that close? Look at the PHB. Look at the feats you can grab without Expertise. Stupid trap. Sure there is. AC. Mirror Image. Being out of range. Depends on your edition. In Gygaxian D&D, combat is what happens when you :):):):) up. Nothing the wizard doesn't have. He has money. Less than the wizard because the wizard is a crafter. The wizard has a spellbook, and money. And more useful skills. Why is he in the dungeon? Of course they do. It's the arms race. Seriously? What does a dragon care about being blinded? Um... a lot. Yes. Liches have poor grapple skills and again, blinding screws over the lich. Oh, and spells are hard to cast when grappled. You're facing a horde of high level demons? Depends what sort of demon. And how many. Black Tentacles doesn't do well against big guys. But Glitterdust - 10ft radius, blind, no SR. That works. I don't go above e6 in 3.X due to actually understanding how to use the system and giving the DM nightmares. Mr. Wizard better pray he never lets Mr. Fighter get near him because even if Mr Fighter likes him, Mr Fighter's will defence is crap. Fighters have low will defence. Means you don't need much in the way of tactics. Druids don't need many. And Czilla works best with Persistent Spell. They've fixed solos. And bumped up monster damage. With good reason. As easily as the fighter makes his will save against mind control. But mysteriously you don't do that to fighters. And the fighter is nearer the bad guys so is easier to hit. Your men, they are made of straw. Bypassing fights and bringing down dungeons is far more effective at high level than actually fighting your way through. As for what your comments about what you claim to do say, they differ from your specifics. You apparently challenge the players - but mysteriously kill off parties with new mages. Dungeons may not be bypassed. Wizards don't cast smartly. [/QUOTE]
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