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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 5508857" data-attributes="member: 5122">You continue to insist that I am not listening to you.&nbsp; Yet I have said, over and over, that I have not seen any evidence that the problem some people seem to be having is with the system, and that I have never -- ever -- seen the problem described.And yet you continue to say things like, &quot;A step in the right direction,&quot; as if it is settled that that step is actually needed or desirable.Yes.&nbsp; Yes, it does.I am willing to concede that some people have experienced a lack of fun playing fighters because wizards were too powerful by comparison in their game.Are you willing to concede that some people have not experienced that lack of fun?&nbsp; Are you willing to concede that some people have not experienced the difference between wizards and warriors as a problem?&nbsp; And are you willing to concede that it's possible that the reason some people do have the problem, and some people don't, is because of the players and/or DM involved, and not because of the system?If so -- God knows i don't want to assume anything -- can you understand why those of us who don't have the problem object to others who insist that &quot;the problem must be fixed&quot;?&nbsp; Especially when that &quot;fix&quot; destroys something we actively, affirmatively like about D&amp;D?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 5508857, member: 5122"] You continue to insist that [I]I[/I] am not listening to [I]you[/I]. Yet I have said, over and over, that I have not seen any evidence that the problem some people seem to be having is with the system, and that I have never -- ever -- seen the problem described. And yet you continue to say things like, "A step in the right direction," as if it is settled that that step is actually needed or desirable. Yes. Yes, it does. I am willing to concede that some people have experienced a lack of fun playing fighters because wizards were too powerful by comparison in their game. Are you willing to concede that some people have [I]not[/I] experienced that lack of fun? Are you willing to concede that some people have not experienced the difference between wizards and warriors as a problem? And are you willing to concede that it's [I]possible[/I] that the reason some people do have the problem, and some people don't, is because of the players and/or DM involved, and not because of the system? If so -- God knows i don't want to assume anything -- can you understand why those of us who don't have the problem object to others who insist that "the problem must be fixed"? Especially when that "fix" destroys something we actively, affirmatively [I]like[/I] about D&D? [/QUOTE]

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