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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 5511874" data-attributes="member: 23094">This keeps getting trotted out in these discussions, but I'm not really sure I buy it.1) How many people really, really played Wizards with less than a meaningful intelligence score?&nbsp; (And by that I mean, &quot;On this messageboard, I will totally claim that I played an Int 12 Wizard,&quot; as distinct from, &quot;Yeah, I rolled him up, he died in the second room of the first adventure, and then I rolled up another one who just happened to have a 17 starting Int score.&quot;)&nbsp; Once you hit, what, 16 or 17 Intelligence your failure chance to learn spells and your limit on spells per level were rendered fairly meaningless.2) Yes, you *could* make the Wizard absolutely useless.&nbsp; You could also put the fighters into dugeons filled with Rust Monsters and take away everything.&nbsp; I don't think that arguing that older editions included &quot;Oops - press the reset button!&quot; rules is a particularly powerful way of claiming that they were somehow &quot;more balanced.&quot;Also, bookworms?&nbsp; Man, that would be proof positive that you were just being a jerk.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 5511874, member: 23094"] This keeps getting trotted out in these discussions, but I'm not really sure I buy it. 1) How many people really, [I]really[/I] played Wizards with less than a meaningful intelligence score? (And by that I mean, "On this messageboard, I will totally claim that I played an Int 12 Wizard," as distinct from, "Yeah, I rolled him up, he died in the second room of the first adventure, and then I rolled up another one who just happened to have a 17 starting Int score.") Once you hit, what, 16 or 17 Intelligence your failure chance to learn spells and your limit on spells per level were rendered fairly meaningless. 2) Yes, you *could* make the Wizard absolutely useless. You could also put the fighters into dugeons filled with Rust Monsters and take away everything. I don't think that arguing that older editions included "Oops - press the reset button!" rules is a particularly powerful way of claiming that they were somehow "more balanced." Also, [i]bookworms[/i]? Man, that would be proof positive that you were just being a jerk. [/QUOTE]

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