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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5513946" data-attributes="member: 57948">Yet once again, that has nothing to do with magic itself. It does not make magic any less gamebreaking. Just make it rely on the social nature of the game setting. Sure, assuming the king is not confident on the PC, or assuming the king *needs* for some motive a real proof to hang the count (which they often did in a whim in Dark Ages when the cleric said "God think he's a demon-worshiper" WITHOUT any real divine magic to support it, btw), or if we assume the PC are working for the King, yes, they *might* need some other proof (although the king might dismiss any other evidence just like he can dismiss magic. Sure, the PC might be lying about his divination spell, but the PC might be lying about that letter they found, or the blooded knife there was behind the count bed might been planted there by the  PC too)But that DOES NOT work for evey setting and every game. The PC might be a band of outlaws, like Robin Hood, wanting to know who killed the merciful countess, and willing to apply the Justice by their own, not relying on a king (who could be the Villain of the Campaign). The players might be fully trusted "knights of the Round Table" for his king. The players might be the kings themselves. Or they might be, as was the case, the ultimate Law Enforcers of a Lawful-Neutral to Lawful-Evil town, with a PC as Paladin of Death Goddess being the one who decides who to hang, no question needed to ask to the King. Yes, that means they could have hanged anyone else, and nobody would refute. The thing was the PC wanted to hang the *right* person, and thanks to magic, they did.That's my point. If Magic is so powerful, it permeates everything. If magic "can do anything", then EVERYTHING must be done with magic. Why would any BBEG hire an assasin to enter into King's room and poison him at night? First, that would be useless: neutralize poison and raise dead and there you go. Second, it would be non-efficient. It's way easier to hire a caster that cast scry+teleport at night, kill the king, and teleport back. Sure, the king's room might be teleport-protected. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. In order to "survive" in a magic setting, the king *has* to be a magic user, or use a magic user hireling. It kills the freedom of choice from the setting author (the DM). You can't have a king that mistrust Magic (like Conan the King). If he does, he's doomed. Becouse Magic is the end-all nuclear weapon. Either you have magic, or you don't matter. At all.</blockquote>

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