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Message: <blockquote data-quote="triqui" data-source="post: 5514540" data-attributes="member: 57948">Sure, we can agree on that. Magic overshadowing everything else is mostly a thing about the players. Probably I wont have a problem DMing your players, and probably you would DMing mine (specially some magic-lover power-gamer sorceror that loves to sink pirate ships with half a dozen spells on him to start with). I DMed 3.0 and 3.5 for a long time, and lot of times, we didn't have a problem (although, to be fair, lot of times we played in "Conan style" worlds, were magic was inexistant, or controlled by plot. But a couple standard high fantasy as well, including in "world of warcraft world", and mainly without issues that you can notice). However, some other times, the problems arised. So I chosed to move to a system that control that by default, instead of needing myself twisting everything so Magic does not disrupt the game (I'm morally against  heavy handweaving and DM whim. If players get a good idea that get my guard low, they deserve victory, and not a simple "no that does not work, becouse I don't like it".)Agree. I jumped into this thread becouse of the tittle. While there is no such thing as "wrong fun", and your approach is absolutelly valid as soon as all (and not only the ones that cast spells) agree with it and have fun, everything s fine. However, to answer to the OP, in fiction, there is no such thing as "magic is better". Most of time, magic is not what we see in D&D or other high fantasy RPG (as Rolemaster or Runequest).. In most fiction, Magic is part of the plot, not the characters (as Gandalf), is part of the evil problem (Thulsa Doom), or is "on par" with Martial Characters (Achilles, Beowulf, Hercules...), or, even the main character is a powerful caster (like Elric), it doesn't have a lot of "shortcutting" spells. So, in my opinion, 4e serves better than 3e to *simulate* fantasy fiction. 0e to 3e serves better to simulate "D&D fiction" -such as Forgotten Realms novels-, mainly becouse D&D fiction is based on it.</blockquote>

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