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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5515374" data-attributes="member: 87792">And what has that to do with the price of fish in the market?&nbsp; If we assume 3e character with Int 11 and Str 16, that's IIRC 2 first level spells per day.&nbsp; How often is he likely to need to use his fighter weapon proficiency?&nbsp; One fight for his life every day would be high.&nbsp; On the other hand few people would not find a use for unseen servant every day.Assuming one fight with danger of death/day is incredibly high (or the population would die off fast), who's better off in a fight?&nbsp; The fighter with str 16?&nbsp; Or the person with Sleep (or Expeditious Retreat) prepared and another spell slot to use?&nbsp; Who makes the better bouncer?&nbsp; The guy with big weapons or the burly and imposing guy who can finish bar fights with Cause Fear, Hold Person, Hypnotism, or Sleep?&nbsp; (And can prevent them breaking out with the 0th level Daze spell at the right time).&nbsp;Even professional soldiers. Which do you want beside you in a fight?&nbsp; Twenty fighters?&nbsp; Or twenty people who go into fights with crossbows and spells like Silent Image to provide concealment/false targets and Colour Spray for when things get up close and personal?&nbsp; Fighters only start coming into their own when you get more than two serious fights per combat day.&nbsp; Which yes, adventurers do.&nbsp; But almost no one else does - not even soldiers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5515374, member: 87792"] And what has that to do with the price of fish in the market? If we assume 3e character with Int 11 and Str 16, that's IIRC 2 first level spells per day. How often is he likely to need to use his fighter weapon proficiency? One fight for his life every day would be high. On the other hand few people would not find a use for unseen servant every day. Assuming one fight with danger of death/day is incredibly high (or the population would die off [I]fast[/I]), who's better off in a fight? The fighter with str 16? Or the person with Sleep (or Expeditious Retreat) prepared and another spell slot to use? Who makes the better bouncer? The guy with big weapons or the burly and imposing guy who can finish bar fights with Cause Fear, Hold Person, Hypnotism, or Sleep? (And can prevent them breaking out with the 0th level Daze spell at the right time). Even professional soldiers. Which do you want beside you in a fight? Twenty fighters? Or twenty people who go into fights with crossbows and spells like Silent Image to provide concealment/false targets and Colour Spray for when things get up close and personal? Fighters only start coming into their own when you get more than two serious fights per combat day. Which yes, adventurers do. But almost no one else does - not even soldiers. [/QUOTE]

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