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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5518253" data-attributes="member: 957">You are cherry picking examples.I've been playing 3E for a decade now.&nbsp; I assure you that the &quot;problem&quot; you identify is NOT a defacto truth.&nbsp; The specific examples can be, most certainly.&nbsp; But you are failing to describe the entire game experience.&nbsp; You MAY be describing YOUR game experience.&nbsp; I don't know and I don't challenge that either way.&nbsp; But you seem convinced that no other experience may possibly exist.&nbsp; And that is where the break down lies.I have many, many times seen a spellcaster dominate a situation.&nbsp; In my experience your examples, with context removed, are perfectly valid.&nbsp; But once they are placed into context, they become features, not bugs.I've seen many times when the fighter/barbarian player turns to the wizard players and goes &quot;Hell YEAH!!!!&nbsp; That was awesome!!&quot;.&nbsp; If the wizard was trampling the warriors contributions, that would not be the reaction.&nbsp; It certainly would not be a reaction seen over and over for year after year.But the thing is, I see the wizard character go &quot;Hell Yeah!!!!&quot; to the warrior player just as often.&nbsp; I'm not at all interested in the idea that everyone needs to contribute equally at every given moment.&nbsp; The wizard shines; the warrior shines; the rogue shines.&nbsp; I HAVE seen the 15 minute warkday.&nbsp; But it is an exception that I now tend to notice with an &quot;hey, that just happened here&quot; attitude.&nbsp; It is far from routine.&nbsp; Pointing out that under the right circumstances the wizard can be awesome doesn't say much to me.&nbsp; OF COURSE HE CAN!&nbsp; That is why we play.&nbsp; And under the right circumstances every character can shine.&nbsp; But when your argument is founded on telling others that their experience does not exist, then you are goign to end up being wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5518253, member: 957"] You are cherry picking examples. I've been playing 3E for a decade now. I assure you that the "problem" you identify is NOT a defacto truth. The specific examples can be, most certainly. But you are failing to describe the entire game experience. You MAY be describing YOUR game experience. I don't know and I don't challenge that either way. But you seem convinced that no other experience may possibly exist. And that is where the break down lies. I have many, many times seen a spellcaster dominate a situation. In my experience your examples, with context removed, are perfectly valid. But once they are placed into context, they become features, not bugs. I've seen many times when the fighter/barbarian player turns to the wizard players and goes "Hell YEAH!!!! That was awesome!!". If the wizard was trampling the warriors contributions, that would not be the reaction. It certainly would not be a reaction seen over and over for year after year. But the thing is, I see the wizard character go "Hell Yeah!!!!" to the warrior player just as often. I'm not at all interested in the idea that everyone needs to contribute equally at every given moment. The wizard shines; the warrior shines; the rogue shines. I HAVE seen the 15 minute warkday. But it is an exception that I now tend to notice with an "hey, that just happened here" attitude. It is far from routine. Pointing out that under the right circumstances the wizard can be awesome doesn't say much to me. OF COURSE HE CAN! That is why we play. And under the right circumstances every character can shine. But when your argument is founded on telling others that their experience does not exist, then you are goign to end up being wrong. [/QUOTE]

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