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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kasoroth" data-source="post: 5519032" data-attributes="member: 6674342">One thing that I've noticed in high/epic level 3.x D&D games is that often the melee fighting types could easily out-damage any of the casters on an individual target, even if the casters were using epic spells like hellball.  The casters still had the area-effect advantage, but the fighter and monk could easily deal more damage to a single target in a round.In most of the epic games I've played, the spell casters mostly tended to end up in a battlefield control and enemy neutralizing role because their raw damage output couldn't compete.A monk with flurry of blows or a fighter with a double-ended weapon could easily deal tons of damage at epic levels with a bunch of elemental damage effects stacked on weapons or gloves, and feats and/or magic items to maximise the number of attacks.  Throw in some power attack for good measure and you could have some insane damage machines.This may have been partly due to the fact that the DM was extremely generous with powerful magic items at epic levels.  This gave the fighters a big boost to hit and damage (and that hit bonus allowed them to pour on more power attack).  Stat boosting tomes and equipment were quite common so ability scores were often boosted to absurd levels.It was not a particularly remarkable event to see either the monk or the fighter deal over 1000 damage in a round by the time the game got to about 25th level.  The casters got lots of items as well, but caster items didn't generally tend to provide much damage increase.  Save DCs got quite hard for many enemies to match, but magic damage is much less effected by equipment and absurdly high stats than melee damage is.I have to strongly agree with the earlier comment that the creative "batman" utility casters can be much more devastating to combat balance than a pure damage caster (particularly at high levels).  In the epic game I was in, some of the enemies were extremely powerful (they had to be to pose any challenge), and many battles involved both sides' casters trying to neutralize as much of the opposing force as they could in order to turn the melee slaughterfest in their favor.  I played a wizard and I really loved the "greater anticipate teleportation" (I think that's the right name) spell that would take anyone trying to teleport anywhere near me out of the battle for a few rounds (and possibly give me a chance to prepare a nasty surprise for them when they finally reached their destination).  Many battles only lasted 3 or 4 rounds, but they often took hours to play out with all the stuff happening.-Kasoroth</blockquote>

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